On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]>wrote:
>> You may be pedantic about the use of anthropomorphic language but I am >> not. >> > > > It can become distracting / misleading in deeper discussions about the > mechanisms of evolution. > I don't care, anybody who was mislead or distracted and believed Evolution could think would be so stupid that I wouldn't care to talk to them. And as you once said "who are you to say what's useful or not as a tool for other people to think and understand?". > > Emergence is just a way to connect different levels of abstraction. > The trouble is people say X leads to Y but when asked how they just wave their hands around and say it's a emergent property, as if that explains something. > What do you mean "useful"? I'm not going to tell you. Any definition I give you will be made of words and I have no doubt you would then demand a definition of at least one of those words. > >> That's the trouble with this list, everybody is a big picture man with >> their own fundamental holistic theories about consciousness >> >> > Isn't "big picture" the theme of this list? > I thought the theme of this list was everything, and details are something. Dilettantes are always big picture men because that is so much easier than being a details man; they are VERY big picture men, so big that their ideas have made absolutely no changes to science or to anything that anyone can measure. > If consciousness is easier than intelligence > Evolution certainly found that to be the case. > how come we have scientific progress in the latter and not in the former? > Today's computers are smarter than they were 10 years ago so I think it is highly likely that they are more conscious too. If you have another method for measuring consciousness other than intelligent behavior I would very much like to hear about it. > how do you know that intelligence is a requirement of consciousness? > The only consciousness I have direct experience with is my own and I note that when I'm sleepy my consciousness is reduced and so is my intelligence, when I'm alert the reverse is true. > Somebody who puts "philosopher" in the occupation line on his tax form >> > > Ok, I guess Plato and Aristotle and the rest of that gang are out then. > Archimedes was a mathematician and he discovered more philosophy than Plato and Aristotle combined. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
