On 11 Jul 2013, at 14:12, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
I quote myself:
"But the religious instinct in the primitive sense is not about love
and compassion, but the contrary it is about fanaticism and
exclusion of these that are not in agreement. "
I might believe the contrary. What you say could make sense for very
local religion and we might argue on what a religion is, but I am
"universalist" on this matter, and religion is what can unite people
and help to recognize oneself in the others. It cannot exclude the
others and it go in the direction of love and compassion, but also
circumspection toward dividing ideas.
This is incomplete: the fanaticism and the exclusion is there for
well stablished game theoretical reasons: to create a strong
boundary between collaborators and non collaborators, and thus to
reinforce collaboration. Reasoning in terms of game theory sacrifice
is the unavoidable requirement for stablishing that boundary.
I understand this at the level of biology, where such boundaries are
needed. But the divine, if used for identity and boundaries purpose
seems to be closer to blasphemy and pseudo-religion.
Unavoidably, when there social capital is reduced to this group and
there is no other form of spiritual union beyond the sect, the
sacrifices become stronger and stronger, since even the life depend
on the group , to be safe from the attack of other groups. The first
and the last sacrifice is, of course, human sacrifices. to kill non
sectarians. and to demonstrate that one has the will and the
disposition to kill.
Hmm... That looks again more like the terrestrial game of life.
That is what the sacrifice of Christ free us from, and it is the
unavoidable destiny of a society that leave their Christian beliefs.
I am not sure I understand.
This happened in a few years in Germany and communist countries for
only a matter of example.
You might elaborate because I feel like I am missing something.
Bruno
2013/7/11 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
On 10 Jul 2013, at 23:05, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
I do not exactly agree. since religion is a natural inclination,
and atheists have no organized religion
It depends on which atheist sect you talk about. It is an hard
subject because those sect are secret. I know them as I leave them,
and like all sect, it is a difficult task to say the least.
then the religious way of thinking permeate all their lives. I´m
not trying to be pejorative. But the religious instinct in the
primitive sense is not about love and compassion, but the contrary
it is about fanaticism and exclusion of these that are not in
agreement.
Yes.
And it is about sacrifices to demonstrate the worthiness of each
one for the sectarian group.
Chiristianity in this sense gives freedom from this primitive,
sectarian, sacrifice demanding instinct and canalizes it in
positive ways.
There too it will depend on which sect or branch of christianity you
talk about.
Bruno
2013/7/10 Roger Clough <[email protected]>
I am amazed these days at the antagonism atheists hold against
religion.
I suppose it has to be that way, for there is a natural draw of men
toward religion.
And if their rejection weren't so oversized, they might fall victim
to religion--
that is, to learn humility, and be filled, without any worth or
work on their own,
with faith, hope, and love.
How torturous.
Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]
See my Leibniz site at
http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough
Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]
See my Leibniz site at
http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough
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