On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:23 PM, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > We haven't proved our brain is computational in nature, > > > There are only 3 possibilities: > > 1) Our brains work by cause and effect processes; if so then the same thing > can be done on a computer. > > 2) Our brains do NOT work by cause and effect processes; if so then they > are random and the same thing can be done on a $20 hardware random number > generator. > > 3) Sometimes our brains work by cause and effect processes and sometimes > they don't; if so then they can be done on a computer and a a $20 hardware > random number generator. > >> >> > Maybe our brain has some non computational shortcut > > > Then there are 2 possibilities: > > 1) There is a reason the shortcut works; if so then a computer can use the > algorithm too. > > 2) There was NO reason the shortcut worked; if so then it was just a lucky > guess and is unlikely to be repeated by either you or the computer.
There are many other conceivable options. I'll try one. Not saying I believe in it, of course. My aim is to demonstrate that you are not exhausting the possible scenarios: We live inside a simulation created by ultra-intelligent beings in some external universe. The simulation is not so good, and they keep interrupting it to do error correction. The mechanisms they use to correct errors exist outside the simulation we live in, but they end up being the secret sauce of our own minds. If we build an AI, we require the collaboration of our creators for it to work. We have no way to force them to cooperate. The creators never reveal themselves and they never cooperate in allowing our own creations to work. In this scenario, comp is false as far as we're concerned. I agree with Quentin, btw: causality has nothing to do with computation. Telmo. > John K Clark > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
