On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> wrote: >> Then there are only 2 possibilities: >> 1) The ultra computer that simulates our world changes from one state to >> the >> other for a reason; if so then our simulated computers which change from >> one >> state to the other for a simulated reason can create a simulated simulated >> world that also looks real to its simulated simulated inhabitants. >> >> 2) The ultra computer that simulates our world changes from one state to >> the >> other for NO reason; if so then its random and there's nothing very ultra >> about the machine. > > > > But the ultra computer I postulated is not a pure Turing machine. It's > behaviour can be influenced by entities external to our simulated universe. >
Any Turing Machine can be influenced by anything external to it, such as me throwing a rock at the contraption. I don't see the point. >> Cannot comment, I don't know what "comp" is. >> > > > Come on John, we've been through this the other day. You do know. > I know what I don't know and I'm telling you I don't know what "comp" means, every time I think I do Bruno proves me wrong. After over 2 and a half years of constantly seeing people on this list (and nowhere else) use that strange made up word I have come to the conclusion that I am not alone, nobody has a deep understanding of what the hell "comp" is supposed to mean. > Computation does not require causality. It can be defined simply in the > form of symbolic relationships. I'm not interested in definitions and I'm not interested in relationships, if state X isn't the reason for a machine or computer or brain or SOMETHING going into state Y then an algorithm is just squiggle of ink in a book. Computation is physical. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
