2013/8/23 John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote: > > >> Then there are only 2 possibilities: >>> 1) The ultra computer that simulates our world changes from one state to >>> the >>> other for a reason; if so then our simulated computers which change from >>> one >>> state to the other for a simulated reason can create a simulated >>> simulated >>> world that also looks real to its simulated simulated inhabitants. >>> >>> 2) The ultra computer that simulates our world changes from one state >>> to the >>> other for NO reason; if so then its random and there's nothing very >>> ultra >>> about the machine. >> >> >> > > But the ultra computer I postulated is not a pure Turing machine. It's >> behaviour can be influenced by entities external to our simulated universe. >> > > Any Turing Machine can be influenced by anything external to it, such as > me throwing a rock at the contraption. I don't see the point. > > > >> Cannot comment, I don't know what "comp" is. >>> >> >> > Come on John, we've been through this the other day. You do know. >> > > I know what I don't know and I'm telling you I don't know what "comp" > means, every time I think I do Bruno proves me wrong. >
You're just lying... there is nothing more difficult than to explain a thing to someone who doesn't want to hear it... comp is *computationalism* and nothing else. So please stop pretending you don't know. Quentin > After over 2 and a half years of constantly seeing people on this list > (and nowhere else) use that strange made up word I have come to the > conclusion that I am not alone, nobody has a deep understanding of what the > hell "comp" is supposed to mean. > > > Computation does not require causality. It can be defined simply in the >> form of symbolic relationships. > > > I'm not interested in definitions and I'm not interested in relationships, > if state X isn't the reason for a machine or computer or brain or SOMETHING > going into state Y then an algorithm is just squiggle of ink in a book. > Computation is physical. > > John K Clark > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
