2013/8/23 John Clark <[email protected]> > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Then there are only 2 possibilities: >>> 1) The ultra computer that simulates our world changes from one state to >>> the >>> other for a reason; if so then our simulated computers which change from >>> one >>> state to the other for a simulated reason can create a simulated >>> simulated >>> world that also looks real to its simulated simulated inhabitants. >>> >>> 2) The ultra computer that simulates our world changes from one state >>> to the >>> other for NO reason; if so then its random and there's nothing very >>> ultra >>> about the machine. >> >> >> > > But the ultra computer I postulated is not a pure Turing machine. It's >> behaviour can be influenced by entities external to our simulated universe. >> > > Any Turing Machine can be influenced by anything external to it, such as > me throwing a rock at the contraption. I don't see the point. > > > >> Cannot comment, I don't know what "comp" is. >>> >> >> > Come on John, we've been through this the other day. You do know. >> > > I know what I don't know and I'm telling you I don't know what "comp" > means, every time I think I do Bruno proves me wrong. >
You're just lying... there is nothing more difficult than to explain a thing to someone who doesn't want to hear it... comp is *computationalism* and nothing else. So please stop pretending you don't know. Quentin > After over 2 and a half years of constantly seeing people on this list > (and nowhere else) use that strange made up word I have come to the > conclusion that I am not alone, nobody has a deep understanding of what the > hell "comp" is supposed to mean. > > > Computation does not require causality. It can be defined simply in the >> form of symbolic relationships. > > > I'm not interested in definitions and I'm not interested in relationships, > if state X isn't the reason for a machine or computer or brain or SOMETHING > going into state Y then an algorithm is just squiggle of ink in a book. > Computation is physical. > > John K Clark > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
