2013/8/23 John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com>
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote:
> >> Then there are only 2 possibilities:
>>> 1) The ultra computer that simulates our world changes from one state to
>>> other for a reason; if so then our simulated computers which change from
>>> state to the other for a simulated reason can create a simulated
>>> world that also looks real to its simulated simulated inhabitants.
>>> 2) The ultra computer that simulates our world changes from one state
>>> to the
>>> other for NO reason; if so then its random and there's nothing very
>>> about the machine.
> > But the ultra computer I postulated is not a pure Turing machine. It's
>> behaviour can be influenced by entities external to our simulated universe.
> Any Turing Machine can be influenced by anything external to it, such as
> me throwing a rock at the contraption. I don't see the point.
> >> Cannot comment, I don't know what "comp" is.
>> > Come on John, we've been through this the other day. You do know.
> I know what I don't know and I'm telling you I don't know what "comp"
> means, every time I think I do Bruno proves me wrong.
You're just lying... there is nothing more difficult than to explain a
thing to someone who doesn't want to hear it... comp is *computationalism*
and nothing else. So please stop pretending you don't know.
> After over 2 and a half years of constantly seeing people on this list
> (and nowhere else) use that strange made up word I have come to the
> conclusion that I am not alone, nobody has a deep understanding of what the
> hell "comp" is supposed to mean.
> > Computation does not require causality. It can be defined simply in the
>> form of symbolic relationships.
> I'm not interested in definitions and I'm not interested in relationships,
> if state X isn't the reason for a machine or computer or brain or SOMETHING
> going into state Y then an algorithm is just squiggle of ink in a book.
> Computation is physical.
> John K Clark
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