On 08 Oct 2013, at 18:05, John Clark wrote:

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On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Quentin Anciaux<allco...@gmail.com> wrote:> You are spitting non-sense... that's not what is asked. He will do*both* from a 3rd POV.... but each Bruno can only live *ONE* streamof consciousness which is *either* M or W, it's not both. So beforeduplication, the probability (or measure of you prefer) is 50/50 forthe destinations from the POV if the guy standing in H. *IT'S THESAME THING IN MWI SETTING AND I DON'T HEAR YOU CRYING NONSENSE ABOUTIT ON EVERY POST*. Be consistant and reject MWI as an obvious BS crap.And You are mixing apples and oranges and bananas:*Quantum Mechanics is about finding a probability that works betterthan random guessing in predicting if a event will be seen.*Many Worlds is a theory that explains why Quantum Mechanics worksas well as it does that some think (including me) is a little (butonly a little) less odd than competing explanations.*Bruno's "proof" is about the continuous feeling of self,

`It is a reasoning starting from the invariance of consciousness for a`

`digital substitution (computationalism).`

and that has nothing to do with predictions in general orprobabilities in particular;

`That invariance entails that physics has to emerge from a statistics`

`on computations, and we can already technically compare many things in`

`the comp-physics and the usual physics, so that we can already refute`

`a version of comp (comp + the classical theory of knowledge).`

it is about remembering who you were yesterday.

`With a self-duplication in between. Yes, that step 3. You remember`

`that you were in Helsinki, and you see that you are in Washington, for`

`example. You see also that in the notebook you predicted that you will`

`feel to be in Washington and in Moscow, but obviously you see only`

`Washington, so you conclude that you were wrong or did not understand`

`the question (and with some chance, now you know better, as we will`

`reiterate the experience.`

`With step seven, there will be (like in Deutsch interpretation of`

`Everett QM) aleph_0 copies "in between", and things will get more`

`interesting and precise about the relationship between consciousness`

`and physical realities (and other realities). It might be better, at`

`some point, to talk, like Deutsch, on consciousness differentiation,`

`instead of universe multiplication, as the term "universe" is quite`

`fuzzy.`

`IN AUDA (arithmetical universal dovetailer argument), we "model" the`

`machine's believability by the assertability by an ideal correct`

`universal machine believing in induction, which makes their logic of`

`provability axiomatized by Löb's formula, and derive the quantum logic`

`by defining the probability one by Bp & Dt (with all the technical`

`details provided).`

`We exploit the gap between G and G*, to get namable but non rationally`

`believable truth for those machines, which provides natural candidate`

`for qualia, and here too there are formal confirmations. this has been`

`verified by many people, but you can verify it by yourself, in you`

`study a bit of logic.`

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