On 08 Oct 2013, at 18:05, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Quentin Anciaux
<[email protected]> wrote:
> You are spitting non-sense... that's not what is asked. He will do
*both* from a 3rd POV.... but each Bruno can only live *ONE* stream
of consciousness which is *either* M or W, it's not both. So before
duplication, the probability (or measure of you prefer) is 50/50 for
the destinations from the POV if the guy standing in H. *IT'S THE
SAME THING IN MWI SETTING AND I DON'T HEAR YOU CRYING NONSENSE ABOUT
IT ON EVERY POST*. Be consistant and reject MWI as an obvious BS crap.
And You are mixing apples and oranges and bananas:
*Quantum Mechanics is about finding a probability that works better
than random guessing in predicting if a event will be seen.
*Many Worlds is a theory that explains why Quantum Mechanics works
as well as it does that some think (including me) is a little (but
only a little) less odd than competing explanations.
*Bruno's "proof" is about the continuous feeling of self,
It is a reasoning starting from the invariance of consciousness for a
digital substitution (computationalism).
and that has nothing to do with predictions in general or
probabilities in particular;
That invariance entails that physics has to emerge from a statistics
on computations, and we can already technically compare many things in
the comp-physics and the usual physics, so that we can already refute
a version of comp (comp + the classical theory of knowledge).
it is about remembering who you were yesterday.
With a self-duplication in between. Yes, that step 3. You remember
that you were in Helsinki, and you see that you are in Washington, for
example. You see also that in the notebook you predicted that you will
feel to be in Washington and in Moscow, but obviously you see only
Washington, so you conclude that you were wrong or did not understand
the question (and with some chance, now you know better, as we will
reiterate the experience.
With step seven, there will be (like in Deutsch interpretation of
Everett QM) aleph_0 copies "in between", and things will get more
interesting and precise about the relationship between consciousness
and physical realities (and other realities). It might be better, at
some point, to talk, like Deutsch, on consciousness differentiation,
instead of universe multiplication, as the term "universe" is quite
fuzzy.
IN AUDA (arithmetical universal dovetailer argument), we "model" the
machine's believability by the assertability by an ideal correct
universal machine believing in induction, which makes their logic of
provability axiomatized by Löb's formula, and derive the quantum logic
by defining the probability one by Bp & Dt (with all the technical
details provided).
We exploit the gap between G and G*, to get namable but non rationally
believable truth for those machines, which provides natural candidate
for qualia, and here too there are formal confirmations. this has been
verified by many people, but you can verify it by yourself, in you
study a bit of logic.
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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