Bruno: ? The answer is the Löbian number (the so called sufficiently rich theories, which exists in arithmetic, in a variety of relative way).
Richard: If the Lobian number exists, why are humans or aliens needed at all? Bruno: I was just referring to the fact that the UD will generates a program emulating you, before generating the complete emulation of the possible quantum vacuum fluctuation leading to the actual story of the universe. Richard: Are you saying that I existed before the universe? In what realm did I exist? On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 3:42 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 12 Oct 2013, at 19:40, Richard Ruquist wrote: > > Bruno: We need only a good dreamer, and the discovery of the relative > universal numbers > > Richard: Who other than humans can do that? > > > ? The answer is the Löbian number (the so called sufficiently rich > theories, which exists in arithmetic, in a variety of relative way). > > We might argue that only humans can build huge telescopes and see the far > away galaxies, but this would not imply that those galaxies needs humans to > exist. > > > > > Bruno: The UD generates the human before evolution. Do you claim that > humans change the past? > > > No, because the physical past is an indexical which eventually subsume the > whole UD*, and thus some part of arithmetic. > > > > > Richard: So humans do not evolve. Sounds like creationism. > > > I was just referring to the fact that the UD will generates a program > emulating you, before generating the complete emulation of the possible > quantum vacuum fluctuation leading to the actual story of the universe. > > Evolution, is, most plausibly a statistically exact account of our local > history. > > > > So far you have not dismissed my inference that comp needs humans to work. > > > Some alien can also bet that they have a brain, and that it is Turing > emulable. In arithmetic there are infinities of numbers which, relatively > to some universal number arrives at that same conclusion (and in this case > we know that they are correct). > Do you think we need humans for having the truth that 1+1=2? If you agree > we don't, then we don't humans to have the larger set of löbian numbers and > their dreams, from which physical realities emerges. > > > > IMO if true, that in itself dismisses comp as contrary to established > science. > > > We need humans only to explain comp to humans, but comp is basically the > idea that machine/numbers can manifest consciousness in their relevant > relative environment/computations. > > Bruno > > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
