Right on, Brent! *"**Emergence is a description of how we think about our models of the world - not something in the world. So Bruno has a theory in which some parts are true but incommunicable. He identifies these with qualia because that is (supposedly) a characteristic of qualia. That's actually how all scientific theories work: you hypothesize a model, including connections to observations and see if it has explanatory and predictive power. "* Brent
you just explained (in 'other' = no certain - words) agnosticism, built into 'science'. Exempting the so called qualia, the feelings, and things 'comp' - or other "scientific" theory cannot handle. (Incommunicable??) I am suspicious of the* 'predictive' *power: it may be built in when the theory has been formulated. Then - low and behold - it is there. * Explanatory*, however, is reductionism using the state of our knowledge-base as of yesterday in conventional sciences (human(?) logic?) One more thing: in my vocabulary "emergence" is used for things of which we have no explanation how they 'occurred' - as long as we learn the details of such 'mystery' when it becomes "PROCESS". "HOW WE THINK" is very personal. Respectfully John Mikes On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 3:54 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > On 10/12/2013 12:49 AM, freqflyer07281972 wrote: > > Yes, but you see, even the food we get from the restaurant, is delicious. > Why would it be delicious, assuming COMP. How could the primary modalities > of things be good or bad assuming COMP? I know most people here think Craig > is a hand waver, but I honestly cannot understand how qualia emerge from > quantia, including their(meaning, my experiences) magically "emerge" from > the many quants that Bruno's idea seems to require. > > > Emergence is a description of how we think about our models of the world - > not something in the world. So Bruno has a theory in which some parts are > true but incommunicable. He identifies these with qualia because that is > (supposedly) a characteristic of qualia. That's actually how all > scientific theories work: you hypothesize a model, including connections to > observations and see if it has explanatory and predictive power. > > Brent > > > On Saturday, October 12, 2013 1:00:38 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote: >> >> On 10/11/2013 9:44 PM, freqflyer07281972 wrote: >> >> Sometimes, Bruno, I get the feeling as though you are a chef at a >> restaurant with a wonderful menu, but whenever anyone orders an item on it, >> all you can do is give them exactly the same picture of the item they >> ordered from the menu, but never the real thing!!! >> By the way, I do think your restaurant in terms of philosophical and >> intellectual satisfaction is one of the best in town! >> >> >> Metaphysics is a restaurant where they give you a 30,000 page menu and no >> food. >> --- Robert Pirsig >> >> Brent >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3614/6742 - Release Date: 10/11/13 > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
