On 16 October 2013 16:58, Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com> wrote:

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> On Oct 15, 2013, at 10:10 PM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On 16 October 2013 16:01, Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> "Our theory in a certain sense bridges the positions of Einstein and
>> Bohr, since the complete theory is quite objective and deterministic...and
>> yet on the subjective level...it is probabilistic in the *strong sense*that 
>> there is no way for observers to make any predictions better than the
>> limitations imposed by the uncertainty principle."
>>
>> So he explicitly says the fully deterministic theory (fully deterministic
>> from the God's eye, third person view) leads to probabilistic
>> (random/unpredictable) outcomes from the subjective observer's first person
>> view.  Even an observer who had complete knowledge of the deterministic
>> wave function and could predict its entire evolution could not predict
>> their next experience.
>>
>> Technically they can. They can correctly predict that they will have *all
> * the available experiences.
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> That's the third person view. The view of the wavefunction's evolution.
>  That is completely predictible.
>
> Whether or not you will measure the electron to be spin up or spin down
> you can't predict in advance.  That is because you experience both but
> neither experiences it as being both spin up and spin down.
>
> I don't see how that's different from what I said - "*afterwards*, they
will feel that they've experienced a probablistic event."

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