On Sunday, October 20, 2013 10:11:22 PM UTC-4, yanniru wrote: > > Craig: I don't think that is actually possible. The intellect can > conceive of monotonous bliss, but that does not mean that is the way that > bliss could work. >
Exactly. That's what I am talking about with Telmo, below. Like the curvature of the Earth, the ontology of feeling does not permit monotony. It is a momentum of accumulated experience with a trajectory. Like monotonous sensations, they tend to be compensated for and suppressed from conscious awareness. Craig > A bliss that you cannot escape from is ultimately a prison. Our > understanding of sensation points to relation of contrasts, not to > mechanical absolutes. Feelings are living responses to meaningful > conditions. We quickly adapt to euphoria, build a tolerance, become bored. > There may not be any such thing as a bliss which cannot fade into misery > eventually. If there were, I think it would constitute a kind of universal > halting, just as strong addiction can suspend normal social functions. > > Richard: Sounds like nirvana > > > On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Craig Weinberg > <whats...@gmail.com<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Sunday, October 20, 2013 7:08:14 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: >> >>> On 10/20/2013 3:53 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>> >>> If this was possible, wouldn't you choose it? If not, why not? >>> I have a recurring similar discussion with a friend: suppose you could >>> be put in a capsule on life support and given a steady supply of a >>> drug that makes you feel pure bliss for the rest of your natural life. >>> Would you agree? If not, why not? >>> >>> >>> Nietzshce would say, because human motivation is the will to power, the >>> satisfaction of accomplishment, creativity - not bliss or pleasure.� >>> Which >>> makes sense from an evolutionary viewpoint.� People (and other animals) >>> will risk and suffer and sacrifice in order to procreate.� Freud saw this >>> as the most basis drive. >>> >> >> I guess the conceit would be that this pleasure would simulate >> experiences of accomplishment, creativity, etc. Interestingly enough, part >> of the effect of cannabis seems to include an exaggeration of >> accomplishment which relates to alleviating boredom. The childlike >> fascination with mundane details and the heightening of minor errands to >> seem like Ulysses-like odysseys has both profound and silly implications. >> Who is to say, after all, that driving to the store to get some Doritos >> isn't an odyssey? >> >> There does seem to be a self-limiting feature of cannabis though, as >> eventually one's own sloth can become the most obvious wonder to meditate >> on. This I attribute to the transparency of sense to the universe at large. >> Eventually illusions and simulations are revealed. Not because of any >> Pollyanna law of truth in the universe, but because representations are not >> whole. Experiences which are not grounded in the absolute are facades which >> inevitably reveal their seams under some condition of 'light' over time. >> >> Craig >> >> >>> Brent >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
