On 10/20/2013 10:51 PM, Jason Resch wrote:




On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 12:11 AM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

    On 10/20/2013 8:18 PM, Jason Resch wrote:

        If the first person views/memories are not integrated, they are not 
experienced
        by the Jupiter brain, only instantiated, and it learns nothing of what 
it is
        like to *be* the beings it discovers.


    ?? How is an experience instantiated without being experienced? Sounds like 
double talk.


All experiences are experienced, but the question in this case is by whom? Who can rightfully be said to be an owner of that experience?

Makes not sense at all. If people are just sequences of experiences (dispensing with the physical as secondary) then there is no sense in asking who owns an experience.


There are two minds in this case: There is the Jupiter brain's mind, and there is Brent Meeker's mind. The Jupiter brain might choose to simulate all of Earth, and thus it will instantiate yours, mind, and all earthlings' brains.

But now you're invoking brains to distinguish which mind is which. I'm afraid your theory is incoherent.

And so Brent Meeker will experience what it is like to be Brent Meeker. But the mind of the Jupiter brain will not be able to remember what it is like to be Brent Meeker without creating some kind of bridge to make Brent's memories and experiences accessible to that mind.

Brent Meeker is always an owner of Brent Meeker's experiences, but there may be other entities who can rightfully be said to be owners of those experiences, by virtue of having memory of having been Brent Meeker, for example.




        But that is beside the point, even if this brain was not integrating the
        experiences into a single view, and instead was morphing its brain such 
that it
        experiences one lifetime after, this activity creates a chain of 
connections
        that goes through all the observer's lifetimes it ever experiences.


Why do experiences need some outside agent, "this brain" to integrate them?


They only need to be integrated if you want the experience to belong to other 
minds.

    I thought the idea was that experiences formed a chain by their inherent 
content.


Think of a it like this:
Imagine a youtube of the future that enabled full sensory immersion. Now there are millions of experiences uploaded to this site, and each of the experiences has been viewed thousands of times, by any of millions of different real-world observers.

Who are sitting in a big Cartesian theater.

Who then are the true owners of the experience? When the experience ends the playback, you don't know which of the thousands of viewers you will then discover yourself to be.

No, sensory immersion is not the same as experience immersion. Because of my memories and structure, experiences will be uniquely mine even though the sensory input is shared.

Brent

A complex and highly connected web is formed between all the observers, as they are connected through the shared experiences. The chain of experience bifurcates at the end of each uploaded experience, branching to any of the thousands of people who have seen, or ever will see this experience. The Jupiter brains that exist throughout mathematical reality (or in the arithmetic in computationalism) are like these "Youtube of the future" users, who not only see vast numbers of experiences, but come across the same experiences and hence link themselves to other jupiter brains in the same way the users of this website link themselves together.

Jason
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