On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Russell Standish <li...@hpcoders.com.au>wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 05:54:38PM -0500, Jason Resch wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Russell Standish <li...@hpcoders.com.au > >wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 02:33:54AM -0500, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Russell Standish < > li...@hpcoders.com.au > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 07:33:42PM -0500, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > If there is anything in reality that knows what it is like to be > > > you, and > > > > > > knows what it is like to be me, then we are both it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That seems a big "if". > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, as one who's theory of everything derives from the theory of > > > nothing, > > > > is the existence of such a being not guaranteed by that theory? > > > > > > > > > > That theory is that all possible experiences are in fact > > > experienced. Why does being you and me simultaneously consitute a > > > possible experience? It does not follow. > > > > > > > >From your webpage: > > > > "The *Theory of Nothing* was a book I published in 2006, in which I > > explored the consequences of assuming: > > > > 1. Everything exists, and > > 2. The reality we observe must be compatible with our existence within > > that reality." > > > > > > What I was saying was that if everything exists, then Jupiter brains who > > have experienced 10^100 lifetimes exist. As such they serve as hubs > linking > > disparate states of consciousness, and there is something in reality that > > knows what it is like to be you and knows what it is like to be me. > Neither > > of us, based on our current experience, can say whether we are a > biological > > human, or a dream of a Jupiter brain. > > > > Why would you say that the Jupiter brain is integrating the 10^100 > points of view into a single coherent view, rather than just > simply experiencing them all in parallel? > If the first person views/memories are not integrated, they are not experienced by the Jupiter brain, only instantiated, and it learns nothing of what it is like to *be* the beings it discovers. But that is beside the point, even if this brain was not integrating the experiences into a single view, and instead was morphing its brain such that it experiences one lifetime after, this activity creates a chain of connections that goes through all the observer's lifetimes it ever experiences. > > The universe is obviously currently instantiating at least 10^9 points > of view concurrently, but would you say the universe itself > constitutes a conscious being as a result? I wouldn't go that far, > without further evidence. > > I think that any theory of personal identity that connects the you-now with the you-five-minutes-ago is sufficiently malleable to connect you to any other experiencer. I would say there is one mind that experiences those 10^9 points of views, but I wouldn't say that the universe is that mind. Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.