On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Russell Standish <li...@hpcoders.com.au>wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 05:54:38PM -0500, Jason Resch wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Russell Standish <li...@hpcoders.com.au
> >wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 02:33:54AM -0500, Jason Resch wrote:
> > > > On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Russell Standish <
> li...@hpcoders.com.au
> > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 07:33:42PM -0500, Jason Resch wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If there is anything in reality that knows what it is like to be
> > > you, and
> > > > > > knows what it is like to be me, then we are both it.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > That seems a big "if".
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, as one who's theory of everything derives from the theory of
> > > nothing,
> > > > is the existence of such a being not guaranteed by that theory?
> > > >
> > >
> > > That theory is that all possible experiences are in fact
> > > experienced. Why does being you and me simultaneously consitute a
> > > possible experience? It does not follow.
> > >
> >
> > >From your webpage:
> >
> > "The *Theory of Nothing* was a book I published in 2006, in which I
> > explored the consequences of assuming:
> >
> >    1. Everything exists, and
> >    2. The reality we observe must be compatible with our existence within
> >    that reality."
> >
> >
> > What I was saying was that if everything exists, then Jupiter brains who
> > have experienced 10^100 lifetimes exist. As such they serve as hubs
> linking
> > disparate states of consciousness, and there is something in reality that
> > knows what it is like to be you and knows what it is like to be me.
> Neither
> > of us, based on our current experience, can say whether we are a
> biological
> > human, or a dream of a Jupiter brain.
> >
>
> Why would you say that the Jupiter brain is integrating the 10^100
> points of view into a single coherent view, rather than just
> simply experiencing them all in parallel?
>

If the first person views/memories are not integrated, they are not
experienced by the Jupiter brain, only instantiated, and it learns nothing
of what it is like to *be* the beings it discovers.

But that is beside the point, even if this brain was not integrating the
experiences into a single view, and instead was morphing its brain such
that it experiences one lifetime after, this activity creates a chain of
connections that goes through all the observer's lifetimes it ever
experiences.


>
> The universe is obviously currently instantiating at least 10^9 points
> of view concurrently, but would you say the universe itself
> constitutes a conscious being as a result? I wouldn't go that far,
> without further evidence.
>
>
I think that any theory of personal identity that connects the you-now with
the you-five-minutes-ago is sufficiently malleable to connect you to any
other experiencer.  I would say there is one mind that experiences those
10^9 points of views, but I wouldn't say that the universe is that mind.

Jason

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