On 07 Nov 2013, at 07:57, Chris de Morsella wrote:
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On 06 Nov 2013, at 17:45, Chris de Morsella wrote:
Exactly. Already the techniques of social engineering are far more
advanced than they were even as recently as Goebbels time – and he
advanced the art of the Big Lie and of mass media propaganda and
brought it into the modern age. Goebbels would admire and recognize
our “managed free press” for what it is; he would be thrilled at how
Americans have become inculcated to view the word in terms of “good
guys” & “bad guys” and that it is okay to torture, murder, summarily
execute and commit whatever outrage against “bad guys” because they
are “terrorists” and therefore do not enjoy any human rights
whatsoever.
Yes. The NDAA 12 use "suspect of terrorist" to ensure the existence
of a collection of people (rather fuzzy here) which can be exempted
from the human right.
Goebbels, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Ceaucescu, would have applauded.
Goebbels, Hitler, Stalin would all nod their nasty heads in approval
at how we now have a so called “Patriot” act that strips of habeas
corpus – a right wrested from the aristocracy of the middle ages;
how we have become a nation of secret courts and secret “justice”.
And all the while the great dumbed down masses of this country
whilst they belch their no nutrition television dinner watching
their mind massaging TV programming very loudly believe they are the
most free, special, superior being that ever lived in history….
American exceptionalism.
>> They have been, and by many tokens still are, but the erosion is
quick, and on some key point, they lost worst than freedom, they
lost the information, and get lied, and so it takes time to realize
that.
The erosion is happening all too quickly; the atmosphere of this
place has changed very much over the last twelve years.
The understanding of how the mind works and of how to vector in
drugs to it and the mass acceptance of mass medication has reached
the point where it is not out of the realm of the possible for a
happy pill to be developed and then – taken to the logical
conclusion of even further miniaturization and delivery as an
aerosol.
The only reason that this country has these angry tea party types
and the right wing (often racist and weirdly KKKristian) militias is
because they are useful tools for the plutocrats. They are America’s
brownshirts and though they may be surprised are acting as tools for
the narrow interests of the plutocrats who fund them, who yank their
strings and who make them dance to whatever tune suits their current
tactical needs.
In America the plutocrats have perfected the art of social
engineering – and Americans genuinely do believe they are free and
that anybody can be president (and that if you do not make it in
this rapacious greed driven society, it’s your own damn fault you
lazy bastard)
There is not going to be any revolution here… not for a long while.
The owners of America have everything under control and the peasants
believe they are a bunch of free birds.
>>Ah' Now I am depressed.
I am sorry for that. It is depressing when one does an accounting of
our current situation. But on the other hand it is also being honest
with ourselves, and honesty – even if it is painful – ultimately is
the only way.
I can't agree more.
As long as we allow ourselves to live in the illusion that all is
well we will remain asleep – an opiated mass marching obediently in
directions and ways determined by the social engineers who massage
the message.
Depressing, very much so, but also the first step to any mass
awakening. Just as the addict must first hit bottom before they can
begin recovery.
OK.
Wake up people! Ask your government explanations, ask proofs, not
free associations. Proofs. Evidences.
In life we have only one choice: logic or war. People which don't
give proof to you are doing war at you.
People are beginning to wake up, but these early stirrings are being
quite successfully managed and contained. Mostly people are kept in
a perpetually distracted state – their brains flooded with messaging
(messaging with no real content, except emotional froth, action, sex
and noise & subliminal conditioning of course. We enjoy a managed
free press now.
i doubt this, for personal reason.
But believe it or not I actually have hope. I believe it is like we
are in a race between two outcomes to the destiny of our species.
And we happen to be alive right now in the era when we now find
ourselves at the crux of it all – both the pace of our knowledge,
science, awareness, which is exploding (with the NSA building a
multi zetabyte datacenter out in… so they can database this email,
along with every other email or electronic communication ever
generated… while perhaps they have not yet achieved this capacity
and are only saving the header info – and maybe key-wording the
content)
But we are in a race against time. A topical example of this is the
growing awareness that the EIA grossly overstated this countries
coal reserves – counting seams of coal that have a huge overburden
in the column of reserves, when in fact the cost of getting at the
coal – given current technology – is higher than the energy value
contained in the coal. They may be resources, but they are not
reserves.
This is an urgent moment in history we live in. If somehow the world
manages to wake up and we manage to restore some sanity and humility
into the classes that rule us – or better yet even evolve beyond the
need to be ruled… then our future could go who knows where and who
knows how far.
But we are in a bottleneck moment in this planets history – and in
fact the extinction rate, on planet earth, is higher now than it has
been at any time since the extinction of the dinosaurs.
We definitely do need to wake up!
To step out of our short term focused swirling confusion and achieve
clearheaded clarity of mind – as a species – like in Arthur C
Clarkes Childhood’s End.
And who knows perhaps we stand on the crux of a great awakening –
perhaps some emergent phenomena is about to reach a tipping point.
I have no wish for anyone to be depressed, but unless this world
wakes up the outcomes are depressing.
Yes. We must cope with the situation, and simple steps have to be
done. Above all, we must come back to taking education seriously.
basic fundamental education (in math, history, geography, etc.).
Bruno
-Chris
Bruno
-Chris
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Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World
On 6 November 2013 17:10, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
On 11/5/2013 8:03 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
In the near future who knows… you may breath in some nano dust and
within minutes begin feeling a powerful compelling love for the dear
leader (or bankster) that fills you with an overriding motivation to
struggle harder to do your small part in increasing their glory. And
– in this dystopic vision -- it will be filled to the brim with a
relentless love for our leaders that we will march off to dreary
impoverished, dull, brutish, lives and early poisoned deaths on this
poor raped earth. Until the very end – brought on by systemic
collapse -- the various walled in pleasure palaces of the major
psychopaths will be kept fully stocked with the very best and in
these cloistered estates, the in-bred, inward looking clans of the
elite will engage in endless merriment marked by grand balls and
conspicuous displays of wealth and power – as they jostle amongst
each other for pecking order
And as the lowly prole dies his early death his face will be frozen
in a mask of perpetually induced love for the great leader… as deep
inside the soul writhes in agony.
Of course in the U.S. you can take up your arms and revolt - thanks
to the 2nd amendment.
Brent
Chris' point is that you wouldn't want to. This is the Brave New
World version of the future, rather than 1984.
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