On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 4:19 AM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Good one, Chris.
>
> But you can tell from the posts here that what drives the Deniers is fear of
> government.  In the U.S. since the Viet Nam war there has developed a
> widespread distrust of government as incompetent, corrupt, and oppressive.

Well, it also doesn't help that almost everything that comes out of
the government's mouth turns out to be a lie. They lied about WMDs in
Iraq, they lied about closing down Guantanamo, they lied about
repealing the patriot act (and in fact extended its scope through the
NDAA), they lie about drugs, they lied about the scope of drone use,
they lied about not spying on everybody and they lied about protecting
whisteblowers. Just to name a few. These are all indisputable, direct
lies about very serious matters.

As for oppression we have the humiliation rituals enforced by the TSA,
the militarisation of the police forces, the ongoing attempts at
censoring the Internet, total surveillance, free-speech zones, the
persecution of brilliant benevolent kids like Aaron Schwartz, who
committed suicide because we was going to be thrown into jail for
downloading scientific papers. I am very sad that he had to go through
that, but also happy that the bandits couldn't get their hands on him.

Probably you're going to reply with some apologies for your favourite
team, and claim that it's the other team's fault. I don't care about
any of that. I care about the end result: lies. The Democrats vs.
Republicans reality show is a clever way to explore our tribal
instincts.

> And global warming, once it is accepted as a problem we should do something
> about, is obviously of such scope it will take some government action.  The
> irony is that if the problem is addressed now the actions taken can be
> relatively benign.  But the Deniers don't even want the problem to be
> recognized.  So by spreading doubt and manufacturing controversy about the
> science, action will be delayed until drastic measures will be necessary.
>
> Brent
>
>
> On 11/13/2013 4:18 PM, chris peck wrote:
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> http://adaptationresourcekit.squarespace.com/storage/climate%20change%20cartoons_better%20world.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1302730968594
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> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 14:48:50 -0800
> From: meeke...@verizon.net
> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Global warming silliness
>
> On 11/13/2013 1:19 PM, John Mikes wrote:
>
> More than ~2 million peer-reviewed articles approved the Bible stories
> beween 1599 and 2010.
>
>
> But did they provide any data?
>
> Brent
>
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