2013/11/29 Samiya Illias <[email protected]> > Simple? It takes intelligence and knowledge to write computer program, > build a machine, and so on. How can we conclude that the software of life, > the creation of the Universe / multiverse, all just happened on its own, > and for no purpose? > > Ask the same thing about god, and you have still an unsolved problem and you have explained nothing at all. god is useless as an hypothesis about the world.
Quentin > Consider the following: > > “Behold! In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the alternation > of Night and Day – there are indeed Signs for men of understanding .” > (Qur’an 3:190) > > It is He Who has created hearing, sight and minds for you. What little > thanks you show! (Qur'an 23:78) > > We shall show them Our signs in the Universe and within themselves, until > it becomes clear to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that your > Lord is the witness of all things? [Quran 41:53] > > We created human from a mingled drop to test him, and We made him hearing > and seeing. (Qur'an 76:2) > > Regards, > Samiya > > > > > On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> >> >> 2013/11/29 Samiya Illias <[email protected]> >> >>> How is it 'easiest to dismiss'? >>> >> >> Because it is an assumption you add... so keep it simple is easier, so as >> it adds nothing, and explain nothing about "how can something exists on its >> own"... well it's easy to dismiss. >> >> Quentin >> >> >>> >>> Samiya >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 29-Nov-2013, at 12:32 PM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2013/11/29 Samiya Illias <[email protected]> >>> >>>> I understand that so many deities and faith-systems and all the myths >>>> and fantasies in them easily put off any thinking mind. Yet, the more we >>>> discover, the closer we get to theorizing about everything, the more >>>> difficult it is to believe that everything just happens on its own. >>>> >>> >>> And how is it easier for a god to happen on its own.... it is as absurd, >>> between the two, god hypothesis is just a gap of explanation and the >>> easiest to dismiss. >>> >>> Quentin >>> >>> >>>> We may not be able to describe or imagine God, but it is also not >>>> possible to honestly dismiss a existence of a Deity! >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 6:26 AM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> But if *everything's *holy... well, you know the rest. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 29 November 2013 14:02, Platonist Guitar Cowboy < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I don't think size/length of the list matters much, lol! >>>>>> >>>>>> Crazy Ginsberg's list was shorter and he and his publishers >>>>>> apparently see reason for them to exist: >>>>>> >>>>>> *Footnote to Howl* >>>>>> *By Allen Ginsberg >>>>>> <http://www.poetryfoundation.org/bio/allen-ginsberg> * >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! >>>>>> Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! >>>>>> The world is holy! The soul is holy! The skin is holy! The nose is >>>>>> holy! The tongue and cock and hand and asshole holy! >>>>>> Everything is holy! everybody’s holy! everywhere is holy! everyday >>>>>> is in eternity! Everyman’s an angel! >>>>>> The bum’s as holy as the seraphim! the madman is holy as you my soul >>>>>> are holy! >>>>>> The typewriter is holy the poem is holy the voice is holy the >>>>>> hearers are holy the ecstasy is holy! >>>>>> Holy Peter holy Allen holy Solomon holy Lucien holy Kerouac holy >>>>>> Huncke holy Burroughs holy Cassady holy the unknown buggered and >>>>>> suffering >>>>>> beggars holy the hideous human angels! >>>>>> Holy my mother in the insane asylum! Holy the cocks of the >>>>>> grandfathers of Kansas! >>>>>> Holy the groaning saxophone! Holy the bop apocalypse! Holy the >>>>>> jazzbands marijuana hipsters peace peyote pipes & drums! >>>>>> Holy the solitudes of skyscrapers and pavements! Holy the cafeterias >>>>>> filled with the millions! Holy the mysterious rivers of tears under the >>>>>> streets! >>>>>> Holy the lone juggernaut! Holy the vast lamb of the middleclass! >>>>>> Holy the crazy shepherds of rebellion! Who digs Los Angeles IS Los >>>>>> Angeles! >>>>>> Holy New York Holy San Francisco Holy Peoria & Seattle Holy Paris >>>>>> Holy Tangiers Holy Moscow Holy Istanbul! >>>>>> Holy time in eternity holy eternity in time holy the clocks in space >>>>>> holy the fourth dimension holy the fifth International holy the Angel in >>>>>> Moloch! >>>>>> Holy the sea holy the desert holy the railroad holy the locomotive >>>>>> holy the visions holy the hallucinations holy the miracles holy the >>>>>> eyeball >>>>>> holy the abyss! >>>>>> Holy forgiveness! mercy! charity! faith! Holy! Ours! bodies! >>>>>> suffering! magnanimity! >>>>>> Holy the supernatural extra brilliant intelligent kindness of the >>>>>> soul! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Berkeley 1955* >>>>>> >>>>>> I believe both Brent and Allen. And the Sun... Dunno much about >>>>>> their existence though. PGC >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 1:03 AM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 29 November 2013 09:19, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I can conceive of (with apologies to H. L. Mencken), Agdistis or >>>>>>>> Angdistis, Ah Puch, Ahura Mazda, Alberich, Allah, Amaterasu, An, >>>>>>>> Anansi, >>>>>>>> Anat, Andvari, Anshar, Anu, Aphrodite, Apollo, Apsu, Ares, Artemis, >>>>>>>> Asclepius, Athena, Athirat, Athtart, Atlas, Baal, Ba Xian, Bacchus, >>>>>>>> Balder, >>>>>>>> Bast, Bellona, Bergelmir, Bes, Bixia Yuanjin, Bragi, Brahma, Brent, >>>>>>>> Brigit, >>>>>>>> Camaxtli, Ceres, Ceridwen, Cernunnos, Chac, Chalchiuhtlicue, Charun, >>>>>>>> Chemosh, Cheng-huang, Clapton, Cybele, Dagon, Damkina (Dumkina), >>>>>>>> Davlin, >>>>>>>> Dawn, Demeter, Diana, Di Cang, Dionysus, Ea, El, Enki, Enlil, Eos, >>>>>>>> Epona, >>>>>>>> Ereskigal, Farbauti, Fenrir, Forseti, Fortuna, Freya, Freyr, Frigg, >>>>>>>> Gaia, >>>>>>>> Ganesha, Ganga, Garuda, Gauri, Geb, Geong Si, Guanyin, Hades, Hanuman, >>>>>>>> Hathor, Hecate (Hekate), Helios, Heng-o (Chang-o), Hephaestus, Hera, >>>>>>>> Hermes, Hestia, Hod, Hoderi, Hoori, Horus, Hotei, Huitzilopochtli, >>>>>>>> Hsi-Wang-Mu, Hygeia, Inanna, Inti, Iris, Ishtar, Isis, Ixtab, Izanaki, >>>>>>>> Izanami, Jesus, Juno, Jehovah, Jupiter, Juturna, Kagutsuchi, Kartikeya, >>>>>>>> Khepri, Ki, Kingu, Kinich Ahau, Kishar, Krishna, Kuan-yin, Kukulcan, >>>>>>>> Kvasir, Lakshmi, Leto, Liza, Loki, Lugh, Luna, Magna Mater, Maia, >>>>>>>> Marduk, >>>>>>>> Mars, Mazu, Medb, Mercury, Mimir, Min, Minerva, Mithras, Morrigan, Mot, >>>>>>>> Mummu, Muses, Nammu, Nanna, Nanna (Norse), Nanse, Neith, Nemesis, >>>>>>>> Nephthys, >>>>>>>> Neptune, Nergal, Ninazu, Ninhurzag, Nintu, Ninurta, Njord, Nugua, Nut, >>>>>>>> Odin, Ohkuninushi, Ohyamatsumi, Orgelmir, Osiris, Ostara, Pan, Parvati, >>>>>>>> Phaethon, Phoebe, Phoebus Apollo, Pilumnus, Poseidon, Quetzalcoatl, >>>>>>>> Rama, >>>>>>>> Re, RheaSabazius, Sarasvati, Selene, Shiva, Seshat, Seti (Set), >>>>>>>> Shamash, >>>>>>>> Shapsu, Shen Yi, Shiva, Shu, Si-Wang-Mu, Sin, Sirona, Sol, Surya, >>>>>>>> Susanoh, >>>>>>>> Tawaret, Tefnut, Tezcatlipoca, Thanatos, Thor, Thoth, Tiamat, Tianhou, >>>>>>>> Tlaloc, Tonatiuh, Toyo-Uke-Bime, Tyche, Tyr, Utu, Uzume, Vediovis, >>>>>>>> Venus, >>>>>>>> Vesta, Vishnu, Volturnus, Vulcan, Xipe, Xi Wang-mu, Xochipilli, >>>>>>>> Xochiquetzal, Yam, Yarikh, YHWH, Ymir, Yu-huang, Yum Kimil and Zeus. >>>>>>>> But I >>>>>>>> see no reason to believe any of them exist. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey, what's that about Amaterasu? 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