Just for the record, I do not personify God. It would be simply speculative and unfair of us to imagine any form of God. All I know is how He briefly introduces Himself as the 'noor' or 'spiritual light' of the heavens and earth. (Quran 24:35)
Samiya Sent from my iPhone On 29-Nov-2013, at 3:12 PM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > 2013/11/29 Samiya Illias <[email protected]> >> Yes, I know we cannot answer that, but that is due to our lack of knowledge >> and comprehension of God, and not because God is useless > > It is. > >> or does not exist. > > The god you talk about (the christian's one) with the long beard, certainly > does not exist. > > >> God's presence is perceivable through His creation! > > Nope... > >> Denying God won't change anything, > > Same thing doing the opposite. > >> but we may miss out on something critically important, to our own detriment >> and loss. > > In french I would say... nawak ! > > Quentin > >> >> Samiya >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> 2013/11/29 Samiya Illias <[email protected]> >>>> Simple? It takes intelligence and knowledge to write computer program, >>>> build a machine, and so on. How can we conclude that the software of life, >>>> the creation of the Universe / multiverse, all just happened on its own, >>>> and for no purpose? >>> >>> Ask the same thing about god, and you have still an unsolved problem and >>> you have explained nothing at all. god is useless as an hypothesis about >>> the world. >>> >>> Quentin >>> >>>> Consider the following: >>>> >>>> “Behold! In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the alternation >>>> of Night and Day – there are indeed Signs for men of understanding .” >>>> (Qur’an 3:190) >>>> >>>> It is He Who has created hearing, sight and minds for you. What little >>>> thanks you show! (Qur'an 23:78) >>>> >>>> We shall show them Our signs in the Universe and within themselves, until >>>> it becomes clear to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that >>>> your Lord is the witness of all things? [Quran 41:53] >>>> >>>> We created human from a mingled drop to test him, and We made him hearing >>>> and seeing. (Qur'an 76:2) >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Samiya >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2013/11/29 Samiya Illias <[email protected]> >>>>>> How is it 'easiest to dismiss'? >>>>> >>>>> Because it is an assumption you add... so keep it simple is easier, so as >>>>> it adds nothing, and explain nothing about "how can something exists on >>>>> its own"... well it's easy to dismiss. >>>>> >>>>> Quentin >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Samiya >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On 29-Nov-2013, at 12:32 PM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2013/11/29 Samiya Illias <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> I understand that so many deities and faith-systems and all the myths >>>>>>>> and fantasies in them easily put off any thinking mind. Yet, the more >>>>>>>> we discover, the closer we get to theorizing about everything, the >>>>>>>> more difficult it is to believe that everything just happens on its >>>>>>>> own. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And how is it easier for a god to happen on its own.... it is as >>>>>>> absurd, between the two, god hypothesis is just a gap of explanation >>>>>>> and the easiest to dismiss. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Quentin >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We may not be able to describe or imagine God, but it is also not >>>>>>>> possible to honestly dismiss a existence of a Deity! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 6:26 AM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> But if everything's holy... well, you know the rest. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 29 November 2013 14:02, Platonist Guitar Cowboy >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I don't think size/length of the list matters much, lol! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Crazy Ginsberg's list was shorter and he and his publishers >>>>>>>>>> apparently see reason for them to exist: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Footnote to Howl >>>>>>>>>> By Allen Ginsberg >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! >>>>>>>>>> Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! >>>>>>>>>> The world is holy! The soul is holy! The skin is holy! The nose is >>>>>>>>>> holy! The tongue and cock and hand and asshole holy! >>>>>>>>>> Everything is holy! everybody’s holy! everywhere is holy! everyday >>>>>>>>>> is in eternity! Everyman’s an angel! >>>>>>>>>> The bum’s as holy as the seraphim! the madman is holy as you my soul >>>>>>>>>> are holy! >>>>>>>>>> The typewriter is holy the poem is holy the voice is holy the >>>>>>>>>> hearers are holy the ecstasy is holy! >>>>>>>>>> Holy Peter holy Allen holy Solomon holy Lucien holy Kerouac holy >>>>>>>>>> Huncke holy Burroughs holy Cassady holy the unknown buggered and >>>>>>>>>> suffering beggars holy the hideous human angels! >>>>>>>>>> Holy my mother in the insane asylum! Holy the cocks of the >>>>>>>>>> grandfathers of Kansas! >>>>>>>>>> Holy the groaning saxophone! Holy the bop apocalypse! Holy the >>>>>>>>>> jazzbands marijuana hipsters peace peyote pipes & drums! >>>>>>>>>> Holy the solitudes of skyscrapers and pavements! Holy the cafeterias >>>>>>>>>> filled with the millions! Holy the mysterious rivers of tears under >>>>>>>>>> the streets! >>>>>>>>>> Holy the lone juggernaut! Holy the vast lamb of the middleclass! >>>>>>>>>> Holy the crazy shepherds of rebellion! Who digs Los Angeles IS Los >>>>>>>>>> Angeles! >>>>>>>>>> Holy New York Holy San Francisco Holy Peoria & Seattle Holy Paris >>>>>>>>>> Holy Tangiers Holy Moscow Holy Istanbul! >>>>>>>>>> Holy time in eternity holy eternity in time holy the clocks in space >>>>>>>>>> holy the fourth dimension holy the fifth International holy the >>>>>>>>>> Angel in Moloch! >>>>>>>>>> Holy the sea holy the desert holy the railroad holy the locomotive >>>>>>>>>> holy the visions holy the hallucinations holy the miracles holy the >>>>>>>>>> eyeball holy the abyss! >>>>>>>>>> Holy forgiveness! mercy! charity! faith! Holy! Ours! bodies! >>>>>>>>>> suffering! magnanimity! >>>>>>>>>> Holy the supernatural extra brilliant intelligent kindness of the >>>>>>>>>> soul! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Berkeley 1955 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I believe both Brent and Allen. And the Sun... Dunno much about >>>>>>>>>> their existence though. PGC >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 1:03 AM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 29 November 2013 09:19, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I can conceive of (with apologies to H. L. Mencken), Agdistis or >>>>>>>>>>>> Angdistis, Ah Puch, Ahura Mazda, Alberich, Allah, Amaterasu, An, >>>>>>>>>>>> Anansi, Anat, Andvari, Anshar, Anu, Aphrodite, Apollo, Apsu, Ares, >>>>>>>>>>>> Artemis, Asclepius, Athena, Athirat, Athtart, Atlas, Baal, Ba >>>>>>>>>>>> Xian, Bacchus, Balder, Bast, Bellona, Bergelmir, Bes, Bixia >>>>>>>>>>>> Yuanjin, Bragi, Brahma, Brent, Brigit, Camaxtli, Ceres, Ceridwen, >>>>>>>>>>>> Cernunnos, Chac, Chalchiuhtlicue, Charun, Chemosh, Cheng-huang, >>>>>>>>>>>> Clapton, Cybele, Dagon, Damkina (Dumkina), Davlin, Dawn, Demeter, >>>>>>>>>>>> Diana, Di Cang, Dionysus, Ea, El, Enki, Enlil, Eos, Epona, >>>>>>>>>>>> Ereskigal, Farbauti, Fenrir, Forseti, Fortuna, Freya, Freyr, >>>>>>>>>>>> Frigg, Gaia, Ganesha, Ganga, Garuda, Gauri, Geb, Geong Si, >>>>>>>>>>>> Guanyin, Hades, Hanuman, Hathor, Hecate (Hekate), Helios, Heng-o >>>>>>>>>>>> (Chang-o), Hephaestus, Hera, Hermes, Hestia, Hod, Hoderi, >>>>>>>>>>>> Hoori, Horus, Hotei, Huitzilopochtli, Hsi-Wang-Mu, Hygeia, Inanna, >>>>>>>>>>>> Inti, Iris, Ishtar, Isis, Ixtab, Izanaki, Izanami, Jesus, Juno, >>>>>>>>>>>> Jehovah, Jupiter, Juturna, Kagutsuchi, Kartikeya, Khepri, Ki, >>>>>>>>>>>> Kingu, Kinich Ahau, Kishar, Krishna, Kuan-yin, Kukulcan, Kvasir, >>>>>>>>>>>> Lakshmi, Leto, Liza, Loki, Lugh, Luna, Magna Mater, Maia, Marduk, >>>>>>>>>>>> Mars, Mazu, Medb, Mercury, Mimir, Min, Minerva, Mithras, Morrigan, >>>>>>>>>>>> Mot, Mummu, Muses, Nammu, Nanna, Nanna (Norse), Nanse, Neith, >>>>>>>>>>>> Nemesis, Nephthys, Neptune, Nergal, Ninazu, Ninhurzag, Nintu, >>>>>>>>>>>> Ninurta, Njord, Nugua, Nut, Odin, Ohkuninushi, Ohyamatsumi, >>>>>>>>>>>> Orgelmir, Osiris, Ostara, Pan, Parvati, Phaethon, Phoebe, Phoebus >>>>>>>>>>>> Apollo, Pilumnus, Poseidon, Quetzalcoatl, Rama, Re, RheaSabazius, >>>>>>>>>>>> Sarasvati, Selene, Shiva, Seshat, Seti (Set), Shamash, Shapsu, >>>>>>>>>>>> Shen Yi, Shiva, Shu, Si-Wang-Mu, Sin, Sirona, Sol, Surya, Susanoh, >>>>>>>>>>>> Tawaret, Tefnut, Tezcatlipoca, Thanatos, Thor, Thoth, Tiamat, >>>>>>>>>>>> Tianhou, Tlaloc, Tonatiuh, Toyo-Uke-Bime, Tyche, Tyr, Utu, Uzume, >>>>>>>>>>>> Vediovis, Venus, Vesta, Vishnu, Volturnus, Vulcan, Xipe, Xi >>>>>>>>>>>> Wang-mu, Xochipilli, Xochiquetzal, Yam, Yarikh, YHWH, Ymir, >>>>>>>>>>>> Yu-huang, Yum Kimil and Zeus. But I see no reason to believe any >>>>>>>>>>>> of them exist. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hey, what's that about Amaterasu? 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