Just for the record, I do not personify God. It would be simply speculative and 
unfair of us to imagine any form of God. 
All I know is how He briefly introduces Himself as the 'noor' or 'spiritual 
light' of the heavens and earth. (Quran 24:35) 

Samiya 

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On 29-Nov-2013, at 3:12 PM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 2013/11/29 Samiya Illias <samiyaill...@gmail.com>
>> Yes, I know we cannot answer that, but that is due to our lack of knowledge 
>> and comprehension of God, and not because God is useless
> 
> It is.
>  
>> or does not exist.
> 
> The god you talk about (the christian's one) with the long beard, certainly 
> does not exist.
> 
>  
>> God's presence is perceivable through His  creation!
> 
> Nope...
>  
>> Denying God won't change anything,
> 
> Same thing doing the opposite.
>  
>> but we may miss out on something critically important, to our own detriment 
>> and loss. 
> 
> In french I would say... nawak !
> 
> Quentin
>  
>> 
>> Samiya 
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2013/11/29 Samiya Illias <samiyaill...@gmail.com>
>>>> Simple? It takes intelligence and knowledge to write computer program, 
>>>> build a machine, and so on. How can we conclude that the software of life, 
>>>> the creation of the Universe / multiverse, all just happened on its own, 
>>>> and for no purpose? 
>>> 
>>> Ask the same thing about god, and you have still an unsolved problem and 
>>> you have explained nothing at all. god is useless as an hypothesis about 
>>> the world.
>>> 
>>> Quentin
>>>  
>>>> Consider the following: 
>>>> 
>>>> “Behold! In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the alternation 
>>>> of Night and Day – there are indeed Signs for men of understanding .” 
>>>> (Qur’an 3:190)
>>>> 
>>>> It is He Who has created hearing, sight and minds for you. What little 
>>>> thanks you show! (Qur'an 23:78)
>>>> 
>>>> We shall show them Our signs in the Universe and within themselves, until 
>>>> it becomes clear to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that 
>>>> your Lord is the witness of all things? [Quran 41:53] 
>>>> 
>>>> We created human from a mingled drop to test him, and We made him hearing 
>>>> and seeing. (Qur'an 76:2) 
>>>> 
>>>> Regards, 
>>>> Samiya 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2013/11/29 Samiya Illias <samiyaill...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> How is it 'easiest to dismiss'? 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Because it is an assumption you add... so keep it simple is easier, so as 
>>>>> it adds nothing, and explain nothing about "how can something exists on 
>>>>> its own"... well it's easy to dismiss.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Quentin
>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Samiya 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 29-Nov-2013, at 12:32 PM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2013/11/29 Samiya Illias <samiyaill...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> I understand that so many deities and faith-systems and all the myths 
>>>>>>>> and fantasies in them easily put off any thinking mind. Yet, the more 
>>>>>>>> we discover, the closer we get to theorizing about everything, the 
>>>>>>>> more difficult it is to believe that everything just happens on its 
>>>>>>>> own.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And how is it easier for a god to happen on its own.... it is as 
>>>>>>> absurd, between the two, god hypothesis is just a gap of explanation 
>>>>>>> and the easiest to dismiss.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Quentin
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> We may not be able to describe or imagine God, but it is also not 
>>>>>>>> possible to honestly dismiss a existence of a Deity! 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 6:26 AM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> But if everything's holy... well, you know the rest.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 29 November 2013 14:02, Platonist Guitar Cowboy 
>>>>>>>>> <multiplecit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I don't think size/length of the list matters much, lol!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Crazy Ginsberg's list was shorter and he and his publishers 
>>>>>>>>>> apparently see reason for them to exist:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Footnote to Howl
>>>>>>>>>> By Allen Ginsberg
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! 
>>>>>>>>>> Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy!
>>>>>>>>>> The world is holy! The soul is holy! The skin is holy! The nose is 
>>>>>>>>>> holy! The tongue and cock and hand and asshole holy!
>>>>>>>>>> Everything is holy! everybody’s holy! everywhere is holy! everyday 
>>>>>>>>>> is in eternity! Everyman’s an angel!
>>>>>>>>>> The bum’s as holy as the seraphim! the madman is holy as you my soul 
>>>>>>>>>> are holy!
>>>>>>>>>> The typewriter is holy the poem is holy the voice is holy the 
>>>>>>>>>> hearers are holy the ecstasy is holy!
>>>>>>>>>> Holy Peter holy Allen holy Solomon holy Lucien holy Kerouac holy 
>>>>>>>>>> Huncke holy Burroughs holy Cassady holy the unknown buggered and 
>>>>>>>>>> suffering beggars holy the hideous human angels!
>>>>>>>>>> Holy my mother in the insane asylum! Holy the cocks of the 
>>>>>>>>>> grandfathers of Kansas!
>>>>>>>>>> Holy the groaning saxophone! Holy the bop apocalypse! Holy the 
>>>>>>>>>> jazzbands marijuana hipsters peace peyote pipes & drums!
>>>>>>>>>> Holy the solitudes of skyscrapers and pavements! Holy the cafeterias 
>>>>>>>>>> filled with the millions! Holy the mysterious rivers of tears under 
>>>>>>>>>> the streets!
>>>>>>>>>> Holy the lone juggernaut! Holy the vast lamb of the middleclass! 
>>>>>>>>>> Holy the crazy  shepherds of rebellion! Who digs Los Angeles IS Los 
>>>>>>>>>> Angeles!
>>>>>>>>>> Holy New York Holy San Francisco Holy Peoria & Seattle Holy Paris 
>>>>>>>>>> Holy Tangiers Holy Moscow Holy Istanbul!
>>>>>>>>>> Holy time in eternity holy eternity in time holy the clocks in space 
>>>>>>>>>> holy the fourth dimension holy the fifth International holy the 
>>>>>>>>>> Angel in Moloch!
>>>>>>>>>> Holy the sea holy the desert holy the railroad holy the locomotive 
>>>>>>>>>> holy the visions holy the hallucinations holy the miracles holy the 
>>>>>>>>>> eyeball holy the abyss!
>>>>>>>>>> Holy forgiveness! mercy! charity! faith! Holy! Ours! bodies! 
>>>>>>>>>> suffering! magnanimity!
>>>>>>>>>> Holy the supernatural extra brilliant intelligent kindness of the 
>>>>>>>>>> soul!
>>>>>>>>>>                                                                      
>>>>>>>>>>                                        Berkeley 1955
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I believe both Brent and Allen. And the Sun... Dunno much about 
>>>>>>>>>> their existence though. PGC
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 1:03 AM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 29 November 2013 09:19, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can conceive of (with apologies to H. L. Mencken), Agdistis or 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Angdistis, Ah Puch, Ahura Mazda, Alberich, Allah, Amaterasu, An, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anansi, Anat, Andvari, Anshar, Anu, Aphrodite, Apollo, Apsu, Ares, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Artemis, Asclepius, Athena, Athirat, Athtart, Atlas, Baal, Ba 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Xian, Bacchus, Balder, Bast, Bellona, Bergelmir, Bes, Bixia 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yuanjin, Bragi, Brahma, Brent, Brigit, Camaxtli, Ceres, Ceridwen, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cernunnos, Chac, Chalchiuhtlicue, Charun, Chemosh, Cheng-huang, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Clapton, Cybele, Dagon, Damkina (Dumkina), Davlin, Dawn, Demeter, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Diana, Di Cang, Dionysus, Ea, El, Enki, Enlil, Eos, Epona, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ereskigal, Farbauti, Fenrir, Forseti, Fortuna, Freya, Freyr, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Frigg, Gaia, Ganesha, Ganga, Garuda, Gauri, Geb, Geong Si, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Guanyin, Hades, Hanuman, Hathor, Hecate (Hekate), Helios, Heng-o 
>>>>>>>>>>>> (Chang-o),     Hephaestus, Hera, Hermes, Hestia, Hod, Hoderi, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hoori, Horus, Hotei, Huitzilopochtli, Hsi-Wang-Mu, Hygeia, Inanna, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Inti, Iris, Ishtar, Isis, Ixtab, Izanaki, Izanami, Jesus, Juno, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jehovah, Jupiter, Juturna, Kagutsuchi, Kartikeya, Khepri, Ki, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kingu, Kinich Ahau, Kishar, Krishna, Kuan-yin, Kukulcan, Kvasir, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lakshmi, Leto, Liza, Loki, Lugh, Luna, Magna Mater, Maia, Marduk, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mars, Mazu, Medb, Mercury, Mimir, Min, Minerva, Mithras, Morrigan, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mot, Mummu, Muses, Nammu, Nanna, Nanna (Norse), Nanse, Neith, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nemesis, Nephthys, Neptune, Nergal, Ninazu, Ninhurzag, Nintu, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ninurta, Njord, Nugua, Nut, Odin, Ohkuninushi, Ohyamatsumi, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Orgelmir, Osiris, Ostara, Pan, Parvati, Phaethon, Phoebe, Phoebus 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apollo, Pilumnus, Poseidon, Quetzalcoatl, Rama, Re, RheaSabazius, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sarasvati, Selene, Shiva, Seshat, Seti (Set), Shamash, Shapsu, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Shen Yi, Shiva, Shu, Si-Wang-Mu, Sin, Sirona, Sol, Surya, Susanoh, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tawaret, Tefnut, Tezcatlipoca, Thanatos, Thor, Thoth, Tiamat, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tianhou, Tlaloc, Tonatiuh, Toyo-Uke-Bime, Tyche, Tyr, Utu, Uzume, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Vediovis, Venus, Vesta, Vishnu, Volturnus, Vulcan, Xipe, Xi 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wang-mu, Xochipilli, Xochiquetzal, Yam, Yarikh, YHWH, Ymir, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yu-huang, Yum Kimil and Zeus. But I see no reason to believe any 
>>>>>>>>>>>> of them exist.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hey, what's that about Amaterasu? She obviously exists!
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> (Admittedly we tend to call her "the Sun" nowadays :-)
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