2013/11/29 Samiya Illias <[email protected]> > Yes, I know we cannot answer that, but that is due to our lack of > knowledge and comprehension of God, and not because God is useless >
It is. > or does not exist. > The god you talk about (the christian's one) with the long beard, certainly does not exist. > God's presence is perceivable through His creation! > Nope... > Denying God won't change anything, > Same thing doing the opposite. > but we may miss out on something critically important, to our own > detriment and loss. > In french I would say... nawak ! Quentin > > Samiya > > > On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> >> >> 2013/11/29 Samiya Illias <[email protected]> >> >>> Simple? It takes intelligence and knowledge to write computer program, >>> build a machine, and so on. How can we conclude that the software of life, >>> the creation of the Universe / multiverse, all just happened on its own, >>> and for no purpose? >>> >>> >> Ask the same thing about god, and you have still an unsolved problem and >> you have explained nothing at all. god is useless as an hypothesis about >> the world. >> >> Quentin >> >> >>> Consider the following: >>> >>> “Behold! In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the >>> alternation of Night and Day – there are indeed Signs for men of >>> understanding .” (Qur’an 3:190) >>> >>> It is He Who has created hearing, sight and minds for you. What little >>> thanks you show! (Qur'an 23:78) >>> >>> We shall show them Our signs in the Universe and within themselves, >>> until it becomes clear to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough >>> that your Lord is the witness of all things? [Quran 41:53] >>> >>> We created human from a mingled drop to test him, and We made him >>> hearing and seeing. (Qur'an 76:2) >>> >>> Regards, >>> Samiya >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2013/11/29 Samiya Illias <[email protected]> >>>> >>>>> How is it 'easiest to dismiss'? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Because it is an assumption you add... so keep it simple is easier, so >>>> as it adds nothing, and explain nothing about "how can something exists on >>>> its own"... well it's easy to dismiss. >>>> >>>> Quentin >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Samiya >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On 29-Nov-2013, at 12:32 PM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2013/11/29 Samiya Illias <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>>> I understand that so many deities and faith-systems and all the myths >>>>>> and fantasies in them easily put off any thinking mind. Yet, the more we >>>>>> discover, the closer we get to theorizing about everything, the more >>>>>> difficult it is to believe that everything just happens on its own. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And how is it easier for a god to happen on its own.... it is as >>>>> absurd, between the two, god hypothesis is just a gap of explanation and >>>>> the easiest to dismiss. >>>>> >>>>> Quentin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> We may not be able to describe or imagine God, but it is also not >>>>>> possible to honestly dismiss a existence of a Deity! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 6:26 AM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> But if *everything's *holy... well, you know the rest. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 29 November 2013 14:02, Platonist Guitar Cowboy < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't think size/length of the list matters much, lol! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Crazy Ginsberg's list was shorter and he and his publishers >>>>>>>> apparently see reason for them to exist: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Footnote to Howl* >>>>>>>> *By Allen Ginsberg >>>>>>>> <http://www.poetryfoundation.org/bio/allen-ginsberg> * >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! >>>>>>>> Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! >>>>>>>> The world is holy! The soul is holy! The skin is holy! The nose is >>>>>>>> holy! The tongue and cock and hand and asshole holy! >>>>>>>> Everything is holy! everybody’s holy! everywhere is holy! everyday >>>>>>>> is in eternity! Everyman’s an angel! >>>>>>>> The bum’s as holy as the seraphim! the madman is holy as you my >>>>>>>> soul are holy! >>>>>>>> The typewriter is holy the poem is holy the voice is holy the >>>>>>>> hearers are holy the ecstasy is holy! >>>>>>>> Holy Peter holy Allen holy Solomon holy Lucien holy Kerouac holy >>>>>>>> Huncke holy Burroughs holy Cassady holy the unknown buggered and >>>>>>>> suffering >>>>>>>> beggars holy the hideous human angels! >>>>>>>> Holy my mother in the insane asylum! Holy the cocks of the >>>>>>>> grandfathers of Kansas! >>>>>>>> Holy the groaning saxophone! Holy the bop apocalypse! Holy the >>>>>>>> jazzbands marijuana hipsters peace peyote pipes & drums! >>>>>>>> Holy the solitudes of skyscrapers and pavements! Holy the >>>>>>>> cafeterias filled with the millions! Holy the mysterious rivers of >>>>>>>> tears >>>>>>>> under the streets! >>>>>>>> Holy the lone juggernaut! Holy the vast lamb of the middleclass! >>>>>>>> Holy the crazy shepherds of rebellion! Who digs Los Angeles IS Los >>>>>>>> Angeles! >>>>>>>> Holy New York Holy San Francisco Holy Peoria & Seattle Holy Paris >>>>>>>> Holy Tangiers Holy Moscow Holy Istanbul! >>>>>>>> Holy time in eternity holy eternity in time holy the clocks in >>>>>>>> space holy the fourth dimension holy the fifth International holy the >>>>>>>> Angel >>>>>>>> in Moloch! >>>>>>>> Holy the sea holy the desert holy the railroad holy the locomotive >>>>>>>> holy the visions holy the hallucinations holy the miracles holy the >>>>>>>> eyeball >>>>>>>> holy the abyss! >>>>>>>> Holy forgiveness! mercy! charity! faith! Holy! Ours! bodies! >>>>>>>> suffering! magnanimity! >>>>>>>> Holy the supernatural extra brilliant intelligent kindness of the >>>>>>>> soul! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Berkeley 1955* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I believe both Brent and Allen. And the Sun... Dunno much about >>>>>>>> their existence though. PGC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 1:03 AM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 29 November 2013 09:19, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I can conceive of (with apologies to H. L. Mencken), Agdistis or >>>>>>>>>> Angdistis, Ah Puch, Ahura Mazda, Alberich, Allah, Amaterasu, An, >>>>>>>>>> Anansi, >>>>>>>>>> Anat, Andvari, Anshar, Anu, Aphrodite, Apollo, Apsu, Ares, Artemis, >>>>>>>>>> Asclepius, Athena, Athirat, Athtart, Atlas, Baal, Ba Xian, Bacchus, >>>>>>>>>> Balder, >>>>>>>>>> Bast, Bellona, Bergelmir, Bes, Bixia Yuanjin, Bragi, Brahma, Brent, >>>>>>>>>> Brigit, >>>>>>>>>> Camaxtli, Ceres, Ceridwen, Cernunnos, Chac, Chalchiuhtlicue, Charun, >>>>>>>>>> Chemosh, Cheng-huang, Clapton, Cybele, Dagon, Damkina (Dumkina), >>>>>>>>>> Davlin, >>>>>>>>>> Dawn, Demeter, Diana, Di Cang, Dionysus, Ea, El, Enki, Enlil, Eos, >>>>>>>>>> Epona, >>>>>>>>>> Ereskigal, Farbauti, Fenrir, Forseti, Fortuna, Freya, Freyr, Frigg, >>>>>>>>>> Gaia, >>>>>>>>>> Ganesha, Ganga, Garuda, Gauri, Geb, Geong Si, Guanyin, Hades, >>>>>>>>>> Hanuman, >>>>>>>>>> Hathor, Hecate (Hekate), Helios, Heng-o (Chang-o), Hephaestus, Hera, >>>>>>>>>> Hermes, Hestia, Hod, Hoderi, Hoori, Horus, Hotei, Huitzilopochtli, >>>>>>>>>> Hsi-Wang-Mu, Hygeia, Inanna, Inti, Iris, Ishtar, Isis, Ixtab, >>>>>>>>>> Izanaki, >>>>>>>>>> Izanami, Jesus, Juno, Jehovah, Jupiter, Juturna, Kagutsuchi, >>>>>>>>>> Kartikeya, >>>>>>>>>> Khepri, Ki, Kingu, Kinich Ahau, Kishar, Krishna, Kuan-yin, Kukulcan, >>>>>>>>>> Kvasir, Lakshmi, Leto, Liza, Loki, Lugh, Luna, Magna Mater, Maia, >>>>>>>>>> Marduk, >>>>>>>>>> Mars, Mazu, Medb, Mercury, Mimir, Min, Minerva, Mithras, Morrigan, >>>>>>>>>> Mot, >>>>>>>>>> Mummu, Muses, Nammu, Nanna, Nanna (Norse), Nanse, Neith, Nemesis, >>>>>>>>>> Nephthys, >>>>>>>>>> Neptune, Nergal, Ninazu, Ninhurzag, Nintu, Ninurta, Njord, Nugua, >>>>>>>>>> Nut, >>>>>>>>>> Odin, Ohkuninushi, Ohyamatsumi, Orgelmir, Osiris, Ostara, Pan, >>>>>>>>>> Parvati, >>>>>>>>>> Phaethon, Phoebe, Phoebus Apollo, Pilumnus, Poseidon, Quetzalcoatl, >>>>>>>>>> Rama, >>>>>>>>>> Re, RheaSabazius, Sarasvati, Selene, Shiva, Seshat, Seti (Set), >>>>>>>>>> Shamash, >>>>>>>>>> Shapsu, Shen Yi, Shiva, Shu, Si-Wang-Mu, Sin, Sirona, Sol, Surya, >>>>>>>>>> Susanoh, >>>>>>>>>> Tawaret, Tefnut, Tezcatlipoca, Thanatos, Thor, Thoth, Tiamat, >>>>>>>>>> Tianhou, >>>>>>>>>> Tlaloc, Tonatiuh, Toyo-Uke-Bime, Tyche, Tyr, Utu, Uzume, Vediovis, >>>>>>>>>> Venus, >>>>>>>>>> Vesta, Vishnu, Volturnus, Vulcan, Xipe, Xi Wang-mu, Xochipilli, >>>>>>>>>> Xochiquetzal, Yam, Yarikh, YHWH, Ymir, Yu-huang, Yum Kimil and Zeus. >>>>>>>>>> But I >>>>>>>>>> see no reason to believe any of them exist. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hey, what's that about Amaterasu? 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