On 29 Nov 2013, at 23:59, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/29/2013 9:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 Nov 2013, at 21:19, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/28/2013 5:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 27 Nov 2013, at 23:36, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/27/2013 7:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 Nov 2013, at 18:56, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be
> wrote:
> Atheism is also the belief in NO afterlife,
Those are 2 separate ideas and there is no reason they must be
linked. There could be a God and no afterlife or a afterlife
and no God; or neither could exist or both could.
If you are able to conceive a god without afterlife, it means
you can conceive a non Christian God, which is nice, but
contradicts the main atheist statements you already did in
preceding conversations.
How does being able to conceive a non-Christian God contradict
being an atheist?? I can conceive many different gods that I
don't believe in.
Can you conceive a God in which you do believe?
That was for John Clark who defined once God by the Christian God.
Also, if you can conceive a Non Christian God, it becomes more
difficult to *believe* in the non existence of God.
I can conceive of (with apologies to H. L. Mencken), Agdistis or
Angdistis, Ah Puch, Ahura Mazda, Alberich, Allah, Amaterasu, An,
Anansi, Anat, Andvari, Anshar, Anu, Aphrodite, Apollo, Apsu, Ares,
Artemis, Asclepius, Athena, Athirat, Athtart, Atlas, Baal, Ba
Xian, Bacchus, Balder, Bast, Bellona, Bergelmir, Bes, Bixia
Yuanjin, Bragi, Brahma, Brent, Brigit, Camaxtli, Ceres, Ceridwen,
Cernunnos, Chac, Chalchiuhtlicue, Charun, Chemosh, Cheng-huang,
Clapton, Cybele, Dagon, Damkina (Dumkina), Davlin, Dawn, Demeter,
Diana, Di Cang, Dionysus, Ea, El, Enki, Enlil, Eos, Epona,
Ereskigal, Farbauti, Fenrir, Forseti, Fortuna, Freya, Freyr,
Frigg, Gaia, Ganesha, Ganga, Garuda, Gauri, Geb, Geong Si,
Guanyin, Hades, Hanuman, Hathor, Hecate (Hekate), Helios, Heng-o
(Chang-o), Hephaestus, Hera, Hermes, Hestia, Hod, Hoderi, Hoori,
Horus, Hotei, Huitzilopochtli, Hsi-Wang-Mu, Hygeia, Inanna, Inti,
Iris, Ishtar, Isis, Ixtab, Izanaki, Izanami, Jesus, Juno, Jehovah,
Jupiter, Juturna, Kagutsuchi, Kartikeya, Khepri, Ki, Kingu, Kinich
Ahau, Kishar, Krishna, Kuan-yin, Kukulcan, Kvasir, Lakshmi, Leto,
Liza, Loki, Lugh, Luna, Magna Mater, Maia, Marduk, Mars, Mazu,
Medb, Mercury, Mimir, Min, Minerva, Mithras, Morrigan, Mot, Mummu,
Muses, Nammu, Nanna, Nanna (Norse), Nanse, Neith, Nemesis,
Nephthys, Neptune, Nergal, Ninazu, Ninhurzag, Nintu, Ninurta,
Njord, Nugua, Nut, Odin, Ohkuninushi, Ohyamatsumi, Orgelmir,
Osiris, Ostara, Pan, Parvati, Phaethon, Phoebe, Phoebus Apollo,
Pilumnus, Poseidon, Quetzalcoatl, Rama, Re, RheaSabazius,
Sarasvati, Selene, Shiva, Seshat, Seti (Set), Shamash, Shapsu,
Shen Yi, Shiva, Shu, Si-Wang-Mu, Sin, Sirona, Sol, Surya, Susanoh,
Tawaret, Tefnut, Tezcatlipoca, Thanatos, Thor, Thoth, Tiamat,
Tianhou, Tlaloc, Tonatiuh, Toyo-Uke-Bime, Tyche, Tyr, Utu, Uzume,
Vediovis, Venus, Vesta, Vishnu, Volturnus, Vulcan, Xipe, Xi Wang-
mu, Xochipilli, Xochiquetzal, Yam, Yarikh, YHWH, Ymir, Yu-huang,
Yum Kimil and Zeus. But I see no reason to believe any of them
exist.
Which means it is up to you to prove that none of those Gods can
exist.
Just because I, or someone else, can conceive of them? Is that how
you accept the burden of proof - you must either believe in whatever
anyone conceives of or else provide a disproof?
Well, you are the one saying that no Gods exist, so you are the one
pretending having a clear referent for each of the name above, and you
are the one acting like if you knew that none exist.
Atheists, like fundamentalists often talk like if they were not
ignorant in those matter. but in science, not only we are ignorant,
but the very subject is denied by some scientists (when atheists).
People like Gödel and Einstein where pissed of by "free-thinkers" and
"atheists", because they were quite aware of their dogmatic attitude.
I would have read them about that subject, I would have been less
naive, and probably run away from them.
Atheism and fundamentalist theism is really the same. Same God, same
Matter. And same violent responses against the doubter and the
agnostics. Same visceral negative attitude against the application of
the scientific attitude in the theological field.
But the ONE is not anyone of those, as it has no name.
A god, with a name, that might be a comp reason to disbelieve in
it, or to try to look who is hiding beyond the name.
Exactly! And "God" is a name.
It is a NickName, pointing on the one without name, and in theology,
it is the most common term used. To change its name would be to give
an importance of the name. It is the axiom one about God, "It has no
name", a bit like the tao, which once named is no more the tao.
Bruno
Nice list, though :)
Credit to Mencken.
Brent
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