On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 4:40 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:

>  On 11/30/2013 4:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>
>  In fact, materialism cannot explain matter, either. Worst, it avoids
> trying to explain it at the start.
>
>
> It's not worse, it's logic.  Whatever is taken as fundamental in a theory
> is not something explained in the theory.  Your theory takes numbers and
> arithmetic for granted.
>
>
It is logical in the case of arithmetical realism to assume numbers are
fundamental because it is provable that the numbers cannot be explained in
terms of anything simpler, but there is no known proof (or even an argument
offered by materialists) that matter cannot be explained in terms of
something simpler.

Jason

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