On 12/2/2013 1:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 02 Dec 2013, at 05:37, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/1/2013 12:12 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
but there is no known proof (or even an argument offered by materialists)
matter cannot be explained in terms of something simpler.
Of course not. That would the point the it's fundamental.
The point of Jason if I may, is that there is no way to explain numbers without
assuming them... but there are ways to explain matter without assuming it.
I'm not convinced of either of those points. And as I noted "to be explained" does
entail that something cannot be fundmental, only that it might not be.
OK, but then we use Occam razor. Thermodynamic cannot disprove the existence of
Of course I meant to write, "And as I noted "to be explained" does NOT entail that
something cannot be fundamental".
But I don't think it's so simple as applying Occam's razor. In my example "red" is an
experience that from the perspective of conscious thoughts may have no explanation, i.e.
is fundamental. But from the perspective of biology has an explanation in terms of physics
and chemistry. From an evolutionary perspective it has an explanation in terms of
survival advantage. So Occam's razor cuts different ways depending on the perspective.
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