On 12/2/2013 2:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 02 Dec 2013, at 07:05, meekerdb wrote:

On 12/1/2013 3:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

    It is dishonesty only when an alternative religion is proposed and 
presented not
    as a religion, but as scientific facts.
    Atheists are not honest, because by denying a God or all God, they replace 
without saying by another (impersonal) God,

That's not true....

I have not found an atheist, interested in the fundamental question, who does not believe in something transcendental, be it mathematics, or a physical universe, etc.

Scientists don't believe in things.  They only hypothesize them.

Belief = hypothesizing, in standard analytical philosophy. Science is only belief. The mark of a belief is that it can be shown false, which is impossible for knowledge. G* proves <>[] f.

An hypothesis can be shown false. A belief is an act of will and is independent of what can be shown false - as testified to by the billions of people who believe there is a Big Daddy in the sky who will reward them after death and punish their enemies.


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