On 3 December 2013 09:40, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:

>  On 12/2/2013 8:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>   I'm sorry but we will have to agree we disagree on that. You're also
> misleading atheistic position, and you're wrongly attributing "belief" to
> atheist people (especially belgians)... I'm belgian, I'm not a materialist,
> I consider myself atheist in regards of religions, and that's what most
> atheist means when they say they are atheist.
>  Call it "ultimate reality".  It is OK, until you grasp enough of comp to
> see that this rings a bit faulty.
>  There is no problem to call it "ultimate reality", as long as you are
> open it might have "personal" aspects, and have no prejudice on wht that
> "ultimate reality" can be (with this or that hypothesis).
> Then you should have no prejudice toward accepting matter as the possible
> "ultimate reality".  It too might have personal aspect.
> I believe Bruno's only "prejudice" about this is he thinks it leads to a

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