On 03 Dec 2013, at 22:57, John Mikes wrote:

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Bruno, I expected better from you. You seem to restrict theunlimited possibilities into the PRESENT limitations of ourimagination.

`I seem to restrict, but comp is an assumption of finiteness, which`

`augment the unlimited possibilities. "Non comp" is what limits the`

`possibility. Little things go through *more* holes than big things. I`

`am only "more open minded" on the unlimited possible relation between`

`machines and truth.`

Do you have any support for the exclusivity of computationalism overALL (so far maybe not even thought about) systems that MAYwork?

`You talk like if I was believing in comp, or defending that comp is`

`true. I don't do that at all.`

Do you have support for YOUR version of "consciousness" as the ONLYpossible input for "Matter" (as we THINK of it TODAY?)

? I don't understand.

And: I have no idea what would you cover by YOUR truth?

I have no pretension at all on any truth. I explain two things:

`- 1) IF we are machine, THEN physics IS a branch of numbers bio-psycho-`

`theology (a part of arithmetic).`

`-2) and this makes the assumption (of being a machine) refutable, as I`

`provide a constructive means to derive physics from arithmetic.`

`1) is given by the Universal Dovetailer Argument (UDA), and 2) is`

`provided by the translation of the UDA in arithmetic (AUDA, the`

`universal machine interview).`

`May be it is the human lack of imagination of some of the humans of`

`today which prevents them to listen to the machines of today, and to`

`see that they saw what Plato and the mystics seems to have seen too.`

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