On 20 Dec 2013, at 21:09, John Clark wrote:

On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:58 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:

> How many first person experiences viewed from their first person points of view does Bruno Marchal believe exists on planet Earth right now?

> The question is ambiguous.

I provided all the information needed to be crystal clear and unambiguous.

> In the 3p view, and the answer stays the same 7 billions (+ animals ...).

That's a great answer but unfortunately it's NOT a answer to the question John Clark asked, the question never asked anything about "the 3p view", it was never mentioned. So John Clark will repeat the question for a fifth time: how many first person experiences viewed from their first person points of view does Bruno Marchal believe exists on planet Earth right now?

1  (I already answered this, note).
from the 1-view, the 1-view is always unique.




>> it's the sort of indeterminacy caused by a simple lack of information and first discovered by Og the caveman;

> Do you think Og was aware of the possibility of self-duplication?

No but the self duplicating machine in your thought experiment adds nothing to our understanding of indeterminacy or of anything else, it's just another useless wheel within a wheel.

Not at all. It proves (for the first time) the necessity of an indeterminacy, brought by the comp 3p *determinacy*.
But no problem if you disagree, as that point is not in the topic.

Now that you do agree with the point of step 3, what is your take on step 4?

Bruno

http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/



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