On 22 Dec 2013, at 20:04, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:

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Your theory comes from Von Neumann, and Chaitin, and Wolfram, doesit not, Edgar? That everything is a program or cellular automata,and "in the beginning was a program." Following along, what is thisLogic comprised of (sort of like SPK's query) is it electrons, is itvirtual particles, is it field lines? Where doth the logicalstructure sleep? In Planck Cells? I apologize if my questions annoy,but where is the computer network that computes the current state ofthe universe.

`In the arithmletical reality which probably emulates all computations`

`(in the standard sense of computer science).`

`But the Wolfram theory is incorrect, as it assumes comp, and don't`

`take the FPI into account (nor even the quantum one).`

Bruno

Can we get MIT physicist Seth Lloyd to shake a stick or a laserpointer, or otherwise, display, where this abacus dwells?Thanks, Mitch -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Paul King <stephe...@charter.net> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sun, Dec 22, 2013 1:36 pm Subject: Re: Bruno's mathematical reality Dear Edger, Where does the "fire" come from that animates the "logic"? On Friday, December 20, 2013 6:52:54 PM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote: All,The fundamental nature of reality is examined in detail in my recentbook on Reality available on Amazon under my name.Marchal is on the right track, but reality consists not just ofnumbers (math) but is a running logical structure analogous tosoftware that continually computes the current state of theuniverse. Just as software includes but doesn't consist only ofnumbers and math, so does reality. In fact the equations of physicalscience make sense only when embedded in a logical structure just asis the case in computational reality.Modern science has a major lacuna, the notion that all of reality ismathematical, that prevents science from grasping the completenature of reality. In truth all of reality is logical, as issoftware, and the mathematics is just a subset of the logic. Afterall, modern science with its misguided insistence that all ofreality is mathematical, has had nothing useful to say about thenature of either consciousness or the present moment, the two mostfundamental aspects of experience. However I present a computationalbased information approach to these in my book among many otherthings.The second clarification that needs to be made to the post onMarchal's work is that human math and logic are distinct from theactual math and logic that computes reality. The human version is ageneralized and extended approximation of the actual that differsfrom the actual logico-mathematical structure of reality inimportant ways (e.g. infinities and infinitesimals which don'tactually exist in external reality).I can explain further if anyone is interested, or you can read aboutit in my book...Edgar Owen --You received this message because you are subscribed to the GoogleGroups "Everything List" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --You received this message because you are subscribed to the GoogleGroups "Everything List" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

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