On 28 Dec 2013, at 16:24, Jason Resch wrote:
On Dec 28, 2013, at 7:04 AM, "Edgar L. Owen" <[email protected]>
wrote:
Jason,
Have you gotten to Part III of my book on Reality yet? It explains
how all randomness is quantum, and it explains the source of that
randomness is the lack of any governing deterministic equations
when the mini-spacetimes that emerge from quantum events have be
aligned due to linking at common events.
I have not, but my point is there is already a form of randomness we
know of that does not need quarum mechanics, indeed quantum
randomness itself may only be a special case of this new type of
randomness (discovered by Bruno).
Well, thanks. Sometimes I credit Everett, but Everett still assumes
physicalism and QM, and doesn't see that if comp is used (as it is
used by him), then the comp phenomenology has to justify the wave
itself. He has not seen that classical arithmetic implements already
the 1-indeterminacy, without any use of QM. This I think is new
indeed. It leads to a MW interpretation, made by the numbers, of
arithmetic itself. The 1-indeterminacy is a classical cognitive
phenomenon, but in Everett it is still only a quantum one.
I discovered the 1-indeterminacy by looking at amoebas, and studying
molecular biology, well before QM. QM will make me doubt of mechanism
until I discovered Everett. Like many, I do have been brainwashed with
the collapse.
I certainly agree that Everett subjective indeterminacy is a
particular (quantum) form of the comp first person indeterminacy. Not
all Everettian agree with this, note, but most do. Formally it is not
the same, as a classical self-duplication is not, a priori, a quantum
superposition. They might become one when in front of the UD, but that
is what needs more verification and tests.
Bruno
Jason
Separate spaces are dimensionally independent. When they merge via
common dimensional events there can be no deterministic alignment
thus randomness arises.....
Edgar
On Saturday, December 28, 2013 2:08:32 AM UTC-5, Jason wrote:
On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:40 PM, Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]>
wrote:
Replying to Liz and Jason in a new topic as they raised the
important topic of the source of randomness that deserves a
separate topic.
As I explain in my book on Reality, all randomness is quantum.
There simply is no true classical level randomness.
Have you gotten to step 3 in the UDA yet? It explains how true
randomness can emerge without assuming QM.
Jason
There is plenty of non-computability which is often mistaken for
randomness but all true randomness at the classical level
percolates up from the quantum level.
At the fundamental computational level all computations are exact.
However the way space can emerge and be dimensionalized from these
computations is random which is the source of all randomness. This
quantum level randomness can either be damped out or amplified up
to the Classical level depending on the information structures
involved.
To use Liz's example of how do computers generate random numbers,
they don't in themselves. As Jason points out they draw on sources
of (quantum) randomness from the environment, but the code the
computer itself uses contains no randomness as the whole point of
digital devices is to completely submerge any source of randomness
because that would pollute the code and/or data.
Of course eventually everything, including computers, is subject to
randomness and fails....
Edgar
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