From: email@example.com [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Sunday, 12 January 2014 5:54 PM To: email@example.com Subject: Re: Tegmark and consciousness
On 1/11/2014 8:12 PM, Colin Geoffrey Hales wrote: RE: arXiv: 1401.1219v1 [quant-ph] 6 Jan 2014 Consciousness as a State of Matter Max Tegmark, January 8, 2014 Hi Folk, Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! I confess that after 12 years of deep immersion in science's grapplings with consciousness, the blindspot I see operating is so obvious and so pervasive and so incredibly unseen it beggars belief. I know it's a long way from physics to neuroscience (discipline-wise). But surely in 2014 we can see it for what it is. Can't they (Tegmark and ilk) see that the so-called "science of consciousness" is * the "the science of the scientific observer" * trying to explain observing with observations * trying to explain experience with experiences * trying to explain how scientists do science. * a science of scientific behaviour. * Descriptive and never explanatory. The sciences do not try to explain, they hardly even try to interpret, they mainly make models. By a model is meant a mathematical construct which, with the addition of certain verbal interpretations, describes observed phenomena. The justification of such a mathematical construct is solely and precisely that it is expected to work. ---John von Neumann "This is what scientists do" (perfectly fine procedural/behaviour) but this becomes "This is all scientists can do" .... when? Says who? Von-freaking Neumann? He has no clue that what he declares science to be is not a 'law of nature' and must fail to predict or explain _him_ and his ability to be ignorant of what the full nature of scientific behaviour entails or how he can observe anything at all. To think the von-neumann paragraph is all there is to science, is to fail to contact the real problem: the presupposition that von-Neumann's dictum is all there is to science/scientific behaviour. Un-argued. Un-documented. Untrained. Tacit presupposition learned by imitation. Section 6.3 in my book nails von-neumann's blinkered view to the great wall of trophies dedicated to that view. His view was king in a simpler world: it works....in all places except one. Now we attack that very 'one'....and we fail because of that very presupposition... and we cite bloody von-neumann at everyone so we continue to fail, thereby embedding failure at a cultural level. This garbage has to stop. Time for change. 2014. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.