On 14 January 2014 19:42, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > On 1/13/2014 10:18 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 14 January 2014 19:08, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > >> On 1/13/2014 10:00 PM, LizR wrote: >> >> On 14 January 2014 17:11, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: >> >>> That will come as a shock to the programmers who write AI for computer >>> games. It's the part that allows the computer to beat you. >>> >> >> I know the gaming industry uses the term for characters in games, but >> I've been assuming that in this sort of discussion, "artificial >> intelligence" means a conscious computer programme. If we're going to have >> different usages then matters will get even more confused, or at least I >> will. >> >> >> I think it's just a difference of degree or scope of the AI. >> > > Hm, I'd say quite a big difference between a character in a game and > HAL9000. > > >> As John Clark likes to say "Consciousness is easy. Intelligence is >> hard." >> >> Well, it is for humans! For computers it seems to be the other way > around. > > But how do you know that? How do you know your computer isn't conscious? > Sure some programs it runs are so simple you can feel sure they're not > conscious (at least not human like). But what about a really complex game > program with adaptive learning? >
I don't know for sure. It doesn't seem very likely, but then many scientific results are counter-intuitive. "Dial F for Frankenstein" and all that... > (I take it you aren't talking about the New Zealand satirist of > (almost) that name...) > > For the purposes of this discussion, can we restrict AI to a conscious > computer (or computer programme), if we want to go off on a tangent about > what counts as an AI maybe that needs its own thread. > > I don't think that's a good idea because aside from intelligent > (human-like) behavior, we have no way to recognize whether a given AI is > conscious or not. What counts as AI is clear, or at least testable. What > should count as conscious is not. > > So you don't think a discussion of what counts as an AI is a good idea? OK, that's fine by me (you're the one who wants to discuss it, after all!) So let's just assume it's possible, since it's presumably a consequence of Edgar's theory, that a computer could be conscious, and go back to the original discussion. Edgar... We were talking about whether a person can always know if they are in a simulated reality. Suppose the person is an AI inside a simulation. Would they necessarily know it was a simulation? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
