On 14 January 2014 19:42, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: > On 1/13/2014 10:18 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 14 January 2014 19:08, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 1/13/2014 10:00 PM, LizR wrote: >> >> On 14 January 2014 17:11, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> That will come as a shock to the programmers who write AI for computer >>> games. It's the part that allows the computer to beat you. >>> >> >> I know the gaming industry uses the term for characters in games, but >> I've been assuming that in this sort of discussion, "artificial >> intelligence" means a conscious computer programme. If we're going to have >> different usages then matters will get even more confused, or at least I >> will. >> >> >> I think it's just a difference of degree or scope of the AI. >> > > Hm, I'd say quite a big difference between a character in a game and > HAL9000. > > >> As John Clark likes to say "Consciousness is easy. Intelligence is >> hard." >> >> Well, it is for humans! For computers it seems to be the other way > around. > > But how do you know that? How do you know your computer isn't conscious? > Sure some programs it runs are so simple you can feel sure they're not > conscious (at least not human like). But what about a really complex game > program with adaptive learning? >
I don't know for sure. It doesn't seem very likely, but then many scientific results are counter-intuitive. "Dial F for Frankenstein" and all that... > (I take it you aren't talking about the New Zealand satirist of > (almost) that name...) > > For the purposes of this discussion, can we restrict AI to a conscious > computer (or computer programme), if we want to go off on a tangent about > what counts as an AI maybe that needs its own thread. > > I don't think that's a good idea because aside from intelligent > (human-like) behavior, we have no way to recognize whether a given AI is > conscious or not. What counts as AI is clear, or at least testable. What > should count as conscious is not. > > So you don't think a discussion of what counts as an AI is a good idea? OK, that's fine by me (you're the one who wants to discuss it, after all!) So let's just assume it's possible, since it's presumably a consequence of Edgar's theory, that a computer could be conscious, and go back to the original discussion. Edgar... We were talking about whether a person can always know if they are in a simulated reality. Suppose the person is an AI inside a simulation. Would they necessarily know it was a simulation? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
