Jesus Brent don't you understand basic English syntax and logic, or are you
being purposefully dense?
I never said "there is only one POSSIBLE world", I clearly stated there is
only one ACTUAL world and many actual simulations of that world in the
minds of biological organisms. I even put the words POSSIBLE and ACTUAL in
caps to make it easy to understand.
Of course that doesn't completely falsify pink rabbits or any other kind of
alternate realty but there is no evidence for those things. Now you are
criticizing my theory because it doesn't explain things for which there is
no evidence whatsoever? Get real!
I'll let you spend your time constructing theories to explain what there is
no evidence for if you like. I have better things to do...
On Monday, January 13, 2014 9:16:30 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
> On 1/13/2014 6:03 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
> No, there are NOT many POSSIBLE worlds.
> So there is only one possible world. That would seem to imply the world
> is determinstic. How do you account for quantum randomness? Are you
> assuming hidden variables or hyperdeterminism?
> There are many ACTUAL simulations of a single computational reality, and
> all of those simulations are not arbitrary sci fi scenarios but solidly
> based in the actual logic of reality at least in their essentials. Because
> these are real world views of real biological organisms. They have to be
> accurate in their essentials for the organisms to exist and function.
> Yes that's all very well. We and other beings model the world in our
> minds. And (we hope) those models are accurate. But that does not
> logically entail that there cannot be other worlds with different physics
> and different beings making mental models of it. Are you just asserting it
> as a contingent fact, or do you have some argument that only this world
> with its physics is possible?
> I find it difficult to understand how you would think I believe in "many
> possible worlds with alternative physics, etc." when I've consistently
> argued just the opposite.
> So far as I can tell you've never argued that this is the only possible
> world. You've just asserted that it is real and everything real is in it.
> That doesn't logically entail that no other "real" worlds are possible.
> On Monday, January 13, 2014 8:42:28 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
>> On 1/13/2014 4:10 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
>> > Terren,
>> > No, it's not that simple as I thought I had explained. You have to
>> consider not just
>> > what is happening in the simulated being's 'mind' or simulation but the
>> whole context of
>> > the simulation. I'll try again. Even if a simulated world is entirely
>> convincing in the
>> > short term it still MUST exist in the actual reality, and if it is not
>> in accordance
>> > with the actual logic of that actual reality it will quickly or
>> eventually fail. The
>> > real being must exist somewhere else and be receiving nutrients etc. in
>> a real actual
>> > reality with which it is in logical synch with.
>> So you're saying that although there are many possible world's
>> (alternative physics, etc)
>> that can exist in simulations, only one of these is real. Which raises
>> the question, why
>> this one?
>> > Thus you can't have just any old arbitrary fake simulation running or
>> the simulated
>> > being will quickly die in the real actual reality in which it MUST have
>> an actual
>> > existence. So there will always be a way to tell if the reality you
>> live in is simulated
>> > or not. If you actually exist then at least the basics must be in
>> accord with actual
>> > reality.
>> > Of course, as you suggest, there are many non-essential ways a
>> simulation can be wrong
>> > and the subject still function, but no essential ones. No matter how
>> simulated an
>> > internal reality is it still must exist in a real actual reality and
>> this will always
>> > eventually give a false simulation away when it is tested against
>> actual reality by the
>> > test of whether it is consistent with the continued existence and
>> functioning of the
>> > subject.
>> > Edgar
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