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On Jan 15, 2014, at 6:36 AM, "Edgar L. Owen" <edgaro...@att.net> wrote:

Bruno, Thanks for the correction.But it's still just as bad to claim all arithmetic just sits therein 'Platonia'. You still don't address the problem of how anythinghappens, and how the universe gets computed. I know you claim thatsomehow movement is an illusion of perspective from inside thesystem which sounds like the nonsensical 'block time' universe,which no matter how many protest, is riddled with contradictions andlacunas....

`I don't recall you pointing out a single critique of block time for`

`which I or someone else did not offer a reasonable answer to.`

Jason

Edgar On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 3:04:30 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Jan 2014, at 18:48, Edgar L. Owen wrote:Liz,Correct. Most reality math is likely fairly simple and fairlylimited. That's why Bruno's 'comp' that assumes all math exists outthere somewhere is so extraordinarily wrong and excessive and non-parsimonious.I will stop comment, if you repeat false allegation alreadycorrected in previous posts.I do not assume all math exists out there. Only arithmetic. "allmath" is an expression having no precise meaning. It means nothing,actually.Now, if you believe that "29 is prime" does depend on you, show methe functional relation between "29 is prime" and "you", with "you"defined without using the notion of numbers.BrunoAs for the grid cells on the GR rubber sheet model just imagine amass-energy content in one cell dilating it. That automaticallyproduces a curvature in the rubber sheet around that mass-energyconsistent with the effects of space curvature in GR.Edgar On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 12:52:24 AM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: On 14 January 2014 16:49, Edgar L. Owen <edga...@att.net> wrote: Liz,Sure, the particle property conservation laws that conserve theamounts of particle properties in elementary particle interactions,and the laws that govern the binding of elementary particles inmatter. These are the fundamental computations that determine mostof the structure of the universe....OK, but I would imagine most conservations laws don't require muchcomputation - aren't they more akin to storing (i.e. conserving)data?How and where is the code stored? There is no 'where' in a non-dimensional computational space. How it is stored I intimated in anearlier response of an hour or so ago. It's stored as combinationsof code and data in the actual process of evolving computationally.I don't understand what you mean by the code and data are stored"in the process of evolving computationally"How do the computations decide what data they will interact with?The computations include the data they compute in one informationstructure as explained above.Where does that data come from? Is there any interaction betweenadjacent computations? (Are there such things as adjacentcomputations? If there isn't, how does locality emerge?)What grid cells? Aren't you familiar with the standard rubber sheetmodel of GR? The rubber sheet has grid cells drawn on it.The grid cells drawn in embedding diagrams are there to show themetrical properties of space-time, while the computations you'retalking about are, I believe, what generates space-time. I don't(as yet) see an obvious connection between the two.--You received this message because you are subscribed to the GoogleGroups "Everything List" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,send an email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ --You received this message because you are subscribed to the GoogleGroups "Everything List" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

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