On Jan 15, 2014, at 6:36 AM, "Edgar L. Owen" <[email protected]> wrote:
Bruno,
Thanks for the correction.
But it's still just as bad to claim all arithmetic just sits there
in 'Platonia'. You still don't address the problem of how anything
happens, and how the universe gets computed. I know you claim that
somehow movement is an illusion of perspective from inside the
system which sounds like the nonsensical 'block time' universe,
which no matter how many protest, is riddled with contradictions and
lacunas....
I don't recall you pointing out a single critique of block time for
which I or someone else did not offer a reasonable answer to.
Jason
Edgar
On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 3:04:30 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 14 Jan 2014, at 18:48, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
Liz,
Correct. Most reality math is likely fairly simple and fairly
limited. That's why Bruno's 'comp' that assumes all math exists out
there somewhere is so extraordinarily wrong and excessive and non-
parsimonious.
I will stop comment, if you repeat false allegation already
corrected in previous posts.
I do not assume all math exists out there. Only arithmetic. "all
math" is an expression having no precise meaning. It means nothing,
actually.
Now, if you believe that "29 is prime" does depend on you, show me
the functional relation between "29 is prime" and "you", with "you"
defined without using the notion of numbers.
Bruno
As for the grid cells on the GR rubber sheet model just imagine a
mass-energy content in one cell dilating it. That automatically
produces a curvature in the rubber sheet around that mass-energy
consistent with the effects of space curvature in GR.
Edgar
On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 12:52:24 AM UTC-5, Liz R wrote:
On 14 January 2014 16:49, Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]> wrote:
Liz,
Sure, the particle property conservation laws that conserve the
amounts of particle properties in elementary particle interactions,
and the laws that govern the binding of elementary particles in
matter. These are the fundamental computations that determine most
of the structure of the universe....
OK, but I would imagine most conservations laws don't require much
computation - aren't they more akin to storing (i.e. conserving)
data?
How and where is the code stored? There is no 'where' in a non-
dimensional computational space. How it is stored I intimated in an
earlier response of an hour or so ago. It's stored as combinations
of code and data in the actual process of evolving computationally.
I don't understand what you mean by the code and data are stored
"in the process of evolving computationally"
How do the computations decide what data they will interact with?
The computations include the data they compute in one information
structure as explained above.
Where does that data come from? Is there any interaction between
adjacent computations? (Are there such things as adjacent
computations? If there isn't, how does locality emerge?)
What grid cells? Aren't you familiar with the standard rubber sheet
model of GR? The rubber sheet has grid cells drawn on it.
The grid cells drawn in embedding diagrams are there to show the
metrical properties of space-time, while the computations you're
talking about are, I believe, what generates space-time. I don't
(as yet) see an obvious connection between the two.
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