" I'd like to ask a serious and honest question in good faith: what is
the place of grief and mourning given belief in one of these theories?
Is it even appropriate to grieve in a universe where "Everything
exists" and the self is simply a computation on a deeper eternal
substrate and where time is an illusion? Indeed, isn't the whole
humanistic, existentialist "point" of these theories to offer us a bit
of succor in the face of inevitable death? "
These theories offer no relief except a vague and adolescent sense of
superiority, typical of any cult where there are people who "know"
and people who don't. But once you reject this adolescent smug and
grow your conscience of ignorance and despise the false comfort of
being in a elite of connaiseurs, then these theories become
depressing. Moreover they are probably wrong, guesses from
extrapolations of some local principles that may not work out of our
of our inmediate reality. like "less principles are better than
more", or "less complex is better than more complex". I`m talking
about the Multiverse theories or comp. Or the thermodynamic end of
I personally have nightmares thinking about other "me" that die in
accident in another paralell universe. Or thinking about my daughter
suffering the same fate in some metaworld far far away. I know that
this is crazy, but your mind and mine extract lessons from what you
accept as theoretically possible. There is a theory that says that
dreams are training scenes that the mind produce to make you
accustomed to what may happen the next day.
That is unavoidable. Your assumptions influence all your life in very
important ways. I mean all your life. The comic part is that in twenty
of fifty years, like has happened before with the theories of the
past, these theories will be looked at as outdated speculations
driven by old ideas that will be no longer in fashion, like the
exagerated worship to computers or to a certain metaphisical
So my advice to myself is: Play with this crap, but don't take it
seriously. Since you CAN NOT know and will not know first causes never
ever. Therefore all is a matter and belief.. So damn you, believe in
something that offer a good teleology, at least compatible with the
human psychology, or else, if you and your people take these suicide
ad depressing theories you will have a bad life and your people will
be driven to irrelevance (and, believe me, we are in this personal and
social path to oblivion as individuals and as a civilization).
2014/1/15, freqflyer07281972 <thismindisbud...@gmail.com>:
> Hey everyone,
> I'm starting a new topic here so as not to derail any conversations on
> other threads -- the original thread I am commenting on seems to have some
> interesting stuff about computer simulations etc. and I don't want to
> bother others about it.
> Edgar has repeatedly posted links to both his business and personal
> website, and his "life companion" request is there right on the front page,
> so I'm not sure how that constitutes snooping.
> For Edgar, if it is true that you did lose your wife to cancer recently, I
> am very sorry for your loss. My father died of cancer when I was young, and
> I lost a close friend last Christmas to cancer as well, so I know how that
> Just digging down to nuts and bolts for a second, though, for those members
> on the list that subscribe to some version of "Everything Theory," (Bruno's
> UD, various forms of "computer simulation universe," Craig's multisense
> realism), I'd like to ask a serious and honest question in good faith: what
> is the place of grief and mourning given belief in one of these theories?
> Is it even appropriate to grieve in a universe where "Everything exists"
> and the self is simply a computation on a deeper eternal substrate and
> where time is an illusion? Indeed, isn't the whole humanistic,
> existentialist "point" of these theories to offer us a bit of succor in the
> face of inevitable death?
> That is why I am interested in this stuff -- not simply for the
> intellectual fun and games of it all, but because I am truly terrified of
> oblivion and of losing everything I love to that oblivion, and yet
> everything in my observed world tells me that when we die, we are basically
> "broken machines" and our world completely and permanently disappears for
> us. That is why I desperately want to be convinced of any of the Everything
> theories that are discussed here, although I admit that the degree to which
> any of them offer any comfort at all is relative to how one is able to
> interpret the consequences of such theories to find a place for your
> personality in "the Everything."
> I didn't think pasting quite publicly available text from Edgar's website
> constitutes a "personal attack." Edgar seems quite happy to keep that
> information up on the web for anyone to see, so I hardly think it
> constitutes snooping to cite it in a different forum. And my original
> observation that I could understand why he was alone was motivated by his
> continued truculence and seeming inability to incorporate and respond to
> the many pieces of feedback he had been given about his "theory"... I
> wouldn't want to be around somebody in real life who demonstrated such
> regular and fatuous disregard for what I was saying.
> So, just to sum up, I apologize, Edgar, for any pain that my copying and
> pasting of the text on your website caused you, and I apologize for
> suggesting that the reason you are alone is because you are probably a
> difficult person to live with in real life. I don't know anything about you
> in real life (aside from what you've put on your website, assuming it is
> all true), and I realize that this forum is not the place to engage in
> personal attacks.
> I'll be more thoughtful in the future.
> Best regards,
> Dan Menon
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