On 1/17/2014 10:16 PM, Jason Resch wrote:



On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 11:50 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

    On 1/17/2014 7:34 PM, LizR wrote:
    On 18 January 2014 16:08, Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com
    <mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> wrote:

        On Jan 17, 2014, at 6:58 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net
        <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:
        On 1/17/2014 2:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
        PA is a reality, by itself, indeed an existing Löbian machine, and PA 
talks
        about a reality which is vaster than PA, and that no machine can grasp 
in its
        entirety. You confuse theory and model here.
        You can't kick Peano's axioms.
        What is your point? That things don't exist unless you can kick them?


    Real things kick back. Maths kicks back...

    Only metaphorically.


The laws of physics prevent you from traveling at a speed more than 
~300,000,000 m/s.

A curious choice. The 'laws of physics' say light travels the same speed in vacuo in all frames. The number 299,792,458 is just an arbitrary conversion factor between meters and seconds.


The laws of arithmetic prevent you from writing down more than 2 distinct 
factors of 17.

  17 = (17/4)*4

I've got a million of'em.

Brent

They seem equally forceful, each in their own way. The laws of mathematics may be even more forceful, for it is conceivable in some physical universe you can go faster than the speed of light in this universe, it is much harder to conceive of a universe where you could write down a third factor of 17.





Jason
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