On 17 Jan 2014, at 02:17, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:

On 17 January 2014 12:07, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 17 January 2014 14:00, Stathis Papaioannou <stath...@gmail.com> wrote:

At least *weak* AI would be possible. Weak AI means computers could do
everything we do but without necessarily being conscious. Strong AI
means they would also be conscious.

I checked the definition a short whle ago on Wikipedia .... which
equivocates, imho, saying consciousness is "Associated with" strong AI, and that Weak AI is basically "making computers do clever things" (with no
pretension to being like humans).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong_AI

Historically, AI researchers did not consider the question of whether
a computer that behaves intelligently was conscious, on the assumption
that intelligence was observable while consciousness was not and
therefore not a fit subject for scientists. This makes it a bit
confusing when terms such as strong AI/ weak AI are appropriated by
philosophers such as Searle.


That is why Turing, influenced by the positivists (like all logicians, with notable exception like Gödel, consider having reduce the "strong" problem to an operational 3p imitation testing (the Turing test).

Before 2000, a word like "mind" was just forbidden, in many academies, except for the philosophers (considered as literary fiction by the scientists).

That is hardly astonishing given 1500 years of Aristotelian paradigm. It is popular, because Plato makes us doubt that what we see is the whole picture. It makes us more ignorant, and reminds us today that the mind-body problem is not solved.

Bruno





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