Bruno, You continue to avoid the actual question. How does a static reality of all true arithmetic in Platonia actually result in change and the flow of time? You just claim "everyone knows it".
Until you can give a convincing answer to that your theory can't be taken seriously..... Just claiming that different observers have different perspectives on that reality doesn't make those perspectives active, they would still be static. And of course block time has the exact same problem.... Edgar On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 7:33:50 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 19 Jan 2014, at 23:10, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > > Bruno, > > To answer your questions sequentially. > > I don't see any way "the arithmetical true relations" compute or emulate > anything. > > > I agree this is not obvious. But it is "known" by all experts in the field. > > That is already present in Gödel 1931, and today we know that even just > one diophantine (on integeres) polynomial of degree four can emulated all > computations; or be Turing universal. > > > > > They just sit there motionless and nothing happens. > > > But that is not a problem for those who accept a relativistic or indexical > notion of time. You seems to believe that such a notion is contradictory. > But well, it is, with the assumption of a present time. But that is already > contradictory with the comp's consequence. > > > > You haven't explained how motion arises from non-motion and no one else > here understands that either. > > > Many understand this. beyond this, the number of people who understand an > argument has no role in the argument itself. "Everybody knows that ..." is > never an argument. > > > > Reality is one continuous program > > > I guess you mean active program. I is the activity which is continued, not > the program. OK? > > > > but every information element actively computes its evolution. > > > ? > > > > Which program is it? It's the program that it is of course. > > > ? > > > > You seem to think there are a bunches of software reality can pick off > some magical shelf and run. > > > I assume that the brain or body, in some general sense, can be emulated by > a computer. then the emulation is in arithmetic (as arithmetic is provably > Turing complete (the well known non obvious fact that I can explain if you > ask)), then it is the consciousness which pick up its local possible > software among all those already active (relatively) in arithmetic. > > > > > <div > > ... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.