On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 5:35 PM, <ghib...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Sunday, February 2, 2014 6:36:24 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 4:29 AM, Bruno Marchal <mar...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: >> >> >>>> Although it doesn't necessarily follow the digital transformation >>>>>> of consciousness is perfectly consistent with the matter in the desk I'm >>>>>> pounding my hand on right now as simply being a subroutine in the >>>>>> johnkclak >>>>>> program, and the same is true of the matter in my hand. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> Only by a confusion 1p and 3p, >>>>> >>>> >>> >> OK now were getting to the heart of the matter (no pun indented). >>>> Explain exactly why my statement above is confused and or wrong and you >>>> will have won this year old debate. >>>> >>> >>> > UDA is the explanation of this. >>> >> >> You're going to have to more than just type 3 letters to convince me! >> >> > You agreed also that consciousness is not localized >>> >> >> Yes I agree, in fact it was me not you who first mentioned it. >> >> > but you talk like if the object on your desk are localized. >>> >> >> Are you claiming that a computer can emulate a intelligent conscious >> being but can't emulate a desk? If my consciousness is caused by a >> computer processing information then the world that consciousness interacts >> with is also cause by information. And information like consciousness has >> no unique position. >> >> > If your consciousness is not localized, and perhaps supported by many >>> other computations (in a physical universe or in arithmetic) you need to >>> explain why the object of your desk appear to be made of local matter >>> >> >> Because the desk subprogram was written to appear that way to the John >> Clark subprogram; the desk could appear however the master programer (or >> evolution) wished it to appear, he could even ignore the laws of physics if >> he wished and use Aristotelian physics, or road runner cartoon physics. >> >> >> it's been over a year and to be honest I don't even remember what the >>>> first 2 steps were, they may have been just as silly as step 3. >>>> >>> >>> > This shows the complete non seriousness of your attitude. >>> >> >> I promise to give your ideas all the seriousness they deserve. >> >> > it means that you have judged from rumors and not personal study. >>> >> >> You and I have never met so the only thing I have to judge you by is by >> studying the ASCII sequence you have produced. And I have never heard any >> rumors about you but now you've got me curious, what are they? >> >> > You are an obscurantist religious bigot >>> >> >> Wow, calling a guy known for disliking religion religious, never heard >> that one before, at least I never heard it before I was 12. >> >> > and parrot >>> >> >> Stop using the exact same ridiculous insult and I'll stop using the exact >> same rubber stamp reply. >> >> John K Clark >> > probably the kiss of death since I'm a known lunatic, >
Always a good intro. > but I vouch for John here but would probably say comp itself as stated in > Chuch/say-yes-to-doctor thesis > > , already drops the consciousness issue betweee n the cracks. > Can you be precise here, or are you just trying to be holy funky Moses? > Nothing wrong with the UDA after that, > Perhaps we'll see about that. > but consciousness wasn't being 'carried' to begin with. > So what would you suggest as ontological primitive and/or responsible for consciousness? Extinction? Feel free to elaborate. John argues materialist prohibition 'don't ask, don't tell' in the end and is a bigot with a consistency macho fetish so huge, that he is forced to bullshit and insult, to cover it up. Hypothetically hoping you are high, but not wanting whatever you're on ;-) PGC > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
