On 13 Apr 2014, at 01:32, meekerdb wrote:
On 4/12/2014 11:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 12 Apr 2014, at 01:43, meekerdb wrote:
On 4/11/2014 8:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
(2) create new race of beings, smarter and better than us, to
explore the universe.
This is what we do since the beginnings. We are them. The
distinction between artificial and natural is artificial.
I deliberately avoided writing 'artificial beings', but I think
they will be 'artificial' in the sense of being deliberately
constructed as opposed to developed just by Darwinian evolution.
OK. I thought so. That is artificial too, actually, and thus
natural for creature with some enough big ego, and which might not
be completely wrong in thinking that they have some partial
control, indeed (thanks god!).
"deliberately" involves "free-will". Some might argue if that is
so much deliberate, especially from some 3p big picture. Machines
too have a long history. Personally, I do agree that "deliberate"
makes partial sense from our person points of view.
Whatever you call it, it is different from Darwinian evolution.
?
All right, let us say that after the invention of the ribosomes and
DNA-proteines relation, it is no more Darwinian evolution. The rest is
deliberate attempt to eat, and mate, through variation of the
molecular means to address such goals.
What is different between the success of a new protein, and a new
human tool. The man tried to get the apple in the tree and eventually
use a stick and get it, and then (perhaps much later) he realize he
can strike also the beast going for the apple, etc.
Very similar things appear at the molecular level, and at many
possible biological meta-levels.
I am not sure you can put a precise frontier between Darwinism and
"free-will". The Darwinian evolution has selected quickly machines/
programs having goals: eating enough, mating enough, and avoiding
being eaten (to much). Then free-will and deliberate action becomes a
matter of will and chance.
Bruno
Brent
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