On 7/2/2014 5:07 AM, Kim Jones wrote:
On 2 Jul 2014, at 12:46 pm, LizR <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Brent:
I don't think that's true. I think differently than I did as a child. As
a child
one experiences many more things as new, fresh, surprising.
Liz:
OK, so you disagree with Kim (or my reading of Kim) on that. You're on different sides
in the "what is consciousness vs what are the contents of consciousness?" debate. Or
indeed the materialist vs comp debate, which come to the same conclusion (physicalism =
we are "nothing but" our memories, predispositions etc - consciousness is not anything
fundamental, it is just a "user illusion," to quote Dan Dennett, a sort of glorified
desktop created by the brain, with no user except itself. Comp = consciousness exists
and is (more or less) fundamental.)
Kim: I am a self that has not felt any different throughout its existence.
How could you know that if "you" is independent of your memory?
I take from this that my self is one thing and then there is everything else, including
the body. I have never identified "me" with anything material. I don't know what age I am.
I'll bet you know how long ago your earliest memory is.
The self simply exists. It always did and it always will. I have died a multitude of
times and will yet die a multitude of times. This is what life is. Death eternal. A
brain simply hosts a self, best generalised as a mind. This might be the same as soul,
but I'm not really into the supernatural, only a vastly expanded reality.
Based on assertions about your feelings?
Brent
I speak of phenomenon and noumenon. Brain is phenomenon. Mind is noumenon, to be
perfectly Kant for a moment...
K
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