On 04 Jul 2014, at 21:20, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 9:31 PM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote:
> Obviously if duplication is possible then singular pronouns become
plural ones in the process.
Yes, and yet Bruno still demands to know what one and only one city
*you* will see. And things are not made clear if Bruno adds " from
*the* 1P " as if there were only one.
Quentin is right. You lie.
I always insist that they are two 1p after the duplication. It follows
easily from the mechanist hypothesis.
> Obviously our language isn't designed to cope with this
possibility, which doesn't happen in real life (yet), hence the
pronoun confusion.
Exactly, and Bruno lacks the mental self discipline to just refuse
to use personal pronouns in all thought experiments involving
duplicating chambers. John Clark admits that not using personal
pronouns can result in prose that is a bit clunky and lacking in
poetry, but it's still clear and logical and if Bruno wishes to
philosophize on these matters it simply must be done.
Actually it's even worse than that, after reading Bruno's last few
posts John Clark is no longer even sure what Bruno means by "The
Helsinki Man".
What we have agree on, but you often change the definition, arguing it
is arbitrary. Once we make the decision, you have to stick on it, even
if the initial decision was arbitrary.
Bruno
>> Thinking that I'm alive and am John Clark is plenty good enough
for me! And I would be absolutely delighted to find out that I had
been murdered yesterday because then that would mean that death is
not nearly as big a deal as I had thought it was. I can't imagine
hearing better news!
> Well, perhaps. I'm no so sure I'd be happy that there is a
duplicate of me
Not even if you were that duplicate?!
How about a duplicate who split off from you a week ago?
A week is far too long for my taste, the thing I don't like about
death is having a last thought, so I'd only be happy to face death
if a copy of me was made right now. How long is now? About a second,
maybe two.
John K Clark
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