Liz: > Another way of looking at it
Kim (interrupting in annoying fashion): There speaks a real thinker with precisely those words. Perception and observation is where we start. There is - wait for it - more than one way of viewing a bunch of data. It depends which glasses you have on your nose as to what you see when you look. Liz is wearing her Green Hat here (hG) - the search for alternatives; the foundation of creative thinking, which logically starts with perception. These are "the other set of options you can access in terms of belief after looking at something other than the standard set." It takes effort to go to the trouble of looking at things differently. But there you are. That's not thinking yet. That's perception. I hear a bird. A Gloccamorra bird. Or something. > is that if H guy is scanned and in the process destroyed, then recreated so > that he is identical (below the substitution level -- e.g. this might mean > atom for atom, which is where the "Heisenberg compensators" come into play > :-) then his identity and consciousness is recreated with him, and they > actually are his identity and consciousness, not just "a copy which thinks > it's him". You are all of these people. You can only experience one of these people. You or God can never know which one you will most likely experience 5 minutes from now let alone after a year's storage before being emailed to Uranus or Washington or Scotland. Hence there is a true randomness in the access you have to your various selves, moment to moment. You are these computational relations. They don't cease to exist so how could you? It may be this is why our individual lives are so ridiculously short compared to the age of the universe. It may be that We (the Royal 'We' have all of eternity to experience our "self". Aubrey de Grey and Ray Kurzweil are complete wankers, you know that? They want to conquer death so they can live forever. Someone tell these two that they're wasting their time because it happens anyway. Liz: Yet another way of looking at it is that this sort of process goes on all the time as the cells of our bodies are gradually replaced, and our identity is preserved during cell replacement to the same extent that it is preserved by a hypothetical matter transmitter, whatever extent that might be. (PS This is all discussed quite cogently in the Star Trek novel "Spock must die!" by James Blish, in which Dr McCoy worries that every time someone goes through the transporter, he's being murdered and a clone created which only thinks it's the same person. Kim: This woman grew up on Star Trek, like I did Liz: It also has something very similar to Bruno's thought experiment happen ....except that the duplicate is in this case an "evil twin" due to having been mirrored in the process :- Kim: That's a great episode of Star Trek eh! and Leo Nimoy got to wear a moustache which makes him look very devilish. Conscious entities are infinite numbers of computations in the sense of the relations that naturally exist between the numbers, as Bruno says. Nothing is happening; everything just is. When numbers are considered real, numbers look a certain way to each other. The way numbers look to each other looks remarkably like what you look like when I look at you and when I look at the world in general and vice versa. Perception. Kim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
