On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: >>>> If there are two (and there are) why didn't Bruno Marchal ask what >>>> cities John Clark will see from *a* 1p? >>>> >>> >>> >>> That is the 3p view *on* the future 1-views. >>> >> >> >> The? why not *a* future 1-view >> > > > Because as you just agree above, there are 2 futures first person > perspectives, >
If there are two (and there are) then *a* future first person perspective is Moscow AND *a* future first person perspective is Washington. If there are two (and there are) then there is no such thing as *the* future first person perspective. > > Are you not just contradicting yourself > NO. >>> The answer will be "W and M". But that is specifically not what is >>> asked to the guy in Helsinki. He is >>> >> >> >> John Clark hates pronouns! > > > > Come on. "He" refers to "the guy in Helsinki" > And exactly as John Clark predicted Bruno Marchal continues to use the phrase "the guy in Helsinki" without explaining if that means someone who remembers bring in Helsinki and being a guy, or if it means a guy who is currently experiencing Helsinki. > > We have agree on all the use of pronouns. > LIKE HELL WE HAVE! > As you believe in comp [...] > I do NOT believe in "comp"!!!! I don't even know what the damn thing means and you don't either, your silly little homespun word has no consistent definition. You say it just means agreeing to be duplicated but then you insist that according to "comp" there is one and only one unique future that "you" have and its grand title is " *The* future 1p". > > at the moment he makes the asked prediction, and thus before he pushes > on the button. [...] you know that when you push on the button, you will > [...] > And exactly as John Clark predicted Bruno Marchal is unable to speak about the nature of personal identity without using lots of personal pronouns even though the hypothetical situation involved was specifically designed to challenge conventional ideas of personal identity. Here we have a machine that can make exact copies of people and yet Bruno Marchal continues to use personal pronouns in exactly the same way as always as if the existence of such machines didn't call into question things that we don't need to give a second thought about today. > And speaking of predictions John Clark predicts that when Bruno Marchal >> states the question in the next post it will be filled with words that are >> ambiguous in a world with duplicating machines, words like "I" and "he" and >> "you". John Clark further predicts that it will contain phrases like "the >> Helsinki Man" without having made clear if that means remembering being a >> man in Helsinki or if it means a man currently experiencing Helsinki >> > > > Unfair remark. I told you since the begining that the prediction is asked > to the Helsinki man, when he is in Helsinki > I don't care when you ask, I want to know who you're asking. I want to know what you mean by "the Helsinki man". > the confirmation of success of the prediction is asked to each copies > (that is, the helsinki man, when he arrive at Moscow). > To John Clark that sure sounds like "the Helsinki man" is anyone who remembers being a man in Helsinki; and Bruno Marchal has already said that "he" refers to the Helsinki man, therefore after the duplication Bruno Marchal cannot continue to refer to "he" without creating mountains of ambiguity. > > The algorithm is only asked to find a predictive algorithm on its first > person experience. > Forget finding the answer, as John Clark predicted Bruno Marchal can't even explain exactly what the question is without using ambiguous personal pronouns. But prove John Clark wrong; after all pronouns were created for convenience not because they were absolutely necessary, so if they are not being used to state what is supposed to be proven as John Clark says then just stop using pronouns; just tell John Clark exactly what the question is without using all those goddamn personal pronouns. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
