On 8/3/2014 4:16 PM, Kim Jones wrote:
On 4 Aug 2014, at 4:50 am, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:

Bruno seems to have a theory, based on his salvia experience, that a person can exist 
independently of any memories.  That's why he says things like, "We're all the same 
person."  I find this theory contrary to experience.  I've had two relatives die of 
Alzheimers and they certainly did not seem to be the same person as when they could 
remember things.

Brent
Hang on.

Bruno says we are "the same person" in the Krishnamurti sense of "there IS ONLY one 
person".

And that sense would be the sense in which the Washington man is the same person as the Moscow man and in which there can be no first-person indeterminancy because there's only one first person and in which words no longer mean what we think they do.

I've heard Krishnamurti speak in Ojai. He seemed like a nice fellow who spoke mostly in platitudes. He didn't say anything about there being only one person. He might have gotten that later from David Bohm.


Not in the sense of "the self appears the same to others." Which is the 
shareable 3p version you are reporting. They didn't seem this way to others whose memory 
was still intact - sure. Surely this is the point. How things seem is not necessarily how 
things are.

Sure, maybe they were perfectly aware of the world around them and knew who they were with and and where they were and it was just chance cosmic rays interrupting their motor neurons that caused them to refer people long dead and forget where the bathroom was.

Brent

The 1p version of what they underwent is incommunicable. Now if we are "all 
one" (Ommmmmmmmmm......) then this makes sense because it is only one computational 
stream and only relates to 1p anyway.


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