On 19 Aug 2014, at 03:37, John Mikes wrote:
On 8/18/2014 4:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
The laws will always assured the existence of computations in which
you survive, and have that quantum MW aspects, but in some
consciousness state we might live some "phase transition" between
different physical realms. Obviously, we cannot get a physical
reality in which there is no observers at all.
Why not? Are you saying there must have been observers in the early
universe, even before the recombination? Must there be observers
observing the interior of stars for them to be "physically real"?
What does "physically real" mean in your theory?
Brent
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Physically real is our religion as 'lately human scientists' where
theory is god.
Hmm.... Physically *primitive* is the (aristotelian) theology of most
scientists and philosophers, sometimes not realizing that it is a
theology.
Theory = hypotheses, without which there is no science (= doubt).
It comes through the (development)evolution of us, humans into a
"know-it-all"- all explaining animal.
BTW in my agnosticism (sorry, Bruno) the OBSERVER is anything that
observes - i.e. notices anything at all.
It is too vague, so I agree by default. I prefer to ask for a
universal number, just to fix the thing, but both with comp and with
Everett QM, we can extend the notion of observer greatly. No problem.
No 'existence' is identifiable without observers,
No *physical* 'existence' is identifiable without observers. But the
existence of 17 is independent of us, in any scientific context rich
enough to postulate computationalism.
the world would be a heap of unrelated singularities by/for
themselves.
Why?
No arithmetix either!
Then you are not agnostic on the computationalist hypothesis. By some
miracle, a bit like Craig, you seem to believe that you know that comp
is false. I am agnostic, and will be, as long as comp is not refuted.
Bruno
John M
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 2:28 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 8/18/2014 4:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
The laws will always assured the existence of computations in which
you survive, and have that quantum MW aspects, but in some
consciousness state we might live some "phase transition" between
different physical realms. Obviously, we cannot get a physical
reality in which there is no observers at all.
Why not? Are you saying there must have been observers in the early
universe, even before the recombination? Must there be observers
observing the interior of stars for them to be "physically real"?
What does "physically real" mean in your theory?
Brent
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