2014-09-23 16:20 GMT+02:00 John Clark <[email protected]>: > On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Matter is a possible means to implement universal machine. That is of >> course in need to be explained when we assume comp. >> > > And this is a example of why I'm so certain that regardless of what you > say "comp" is NOT just a abbreviation for computationalism. > Computationalism says that consciousness is what matter does when it is > organized in certain ways >
No, that's not computationalism... that's functionalism. Computationalism involve computations... Consciousness could come from matter organized in certain ways without being the result of a computation. So no, computationalism is not "consciousness is what matter does when it is organized in certain ways". Quentin > and we could prove that proposition the same way we could prove any 2 > things are equivalent. When we change the ways the neurons in our brain > operate (through chemicals or electricity or physical movement etc) our > consciousness changes, AND when our consciousness changes we also note that > the way our neurons work changes. Therefore nobody needs to assume > computationalism because we already know for a fact that it's true, and yet > you constantly tell us that we must "assume comp" therefore despite your > protests to the contrary I must conclude that whatever "comp" means it's > not computationalism. Nothing personal but when you say one thing and logic > says something else I must side with logic. > > John K Clark > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy Batty/Rutger Hauer) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
