On 11/29/2014 12:30 AM, Kim Jones wrote:
On 29 Nov 2014, at 6:27 pm, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote:
If nature came up with feeling first and high level intelligence only much much
later, I don't see why the opposite would be true for our computers.
So this is the the meat in your sandwich. It is so revealing. It requires a "self" or a "person" or a
"subject" or an "ego" or a "me" or an "I" or a consciousness to allow for qualia to come through.
Without this entity - whatever it is - there is no experience of anything possible. Qualia create experience. Experience is 1st person
only. You cannot experience my experience and I cannot experience yours. How the hell are we ever going to get use out of AIs whose
experience we cannot plug into and monitor, Johnno?
The same way get use out of domestic animals and slaves and employees. "Usefulness" of
others to me is an aspect of their behavior, not their experience.
Brent
The self is entirely PRIVATE. It cannot be created because all selves already
exist by our definition of Everything and cannot not exist under QTI. Whoops,
that's quantum Theory of Immortality - no cul-de sacs.
Yet we may be the same person ultimately when what a "self" is fully
understood. I don't think it ever will be fully understood because experience just is and
is probably purposeless. Experience is consciousness regarding itself. It's divine fun,
that's what it is. There's a bit of purple prose for you.
K
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