On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 2:27 AM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 6 December 2014 at 05:20, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> wrote:
>
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>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 8:06 AM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/4/2014 8:05 PM, LizR wrote:
>>>
>>>> I suspect that Bruno is differentiating physical existence from primary
>>>> existence.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What's the difference?  Isn't physical existence the paradigmatic case?
>>> the example we point to when asked to define "exits"?
>>>
>>
>> Not wanting to bypass Bruno's more sophisticated explanations, I tend to
>> equate "physical existence" with the idea of something existing
>> independently of an observer. Or, to put it another way, taking 3p reality
>> seriously. No?
>>
>> Yes. The distinction is between what we are aware of existing (and
> continuing to exist in our absence) and a hypothetical substrate from which
> the physical world may or may not emerge. The mathematical universe
> hypothesis and comp being obvious candidates for a non physical primary
> reality.
>
> I'm afraid Brent is basically trolling, because he's well aware of this
> distinction.
>

I don't think he's doing so malevolently. My impression is that he resists
what he perceives as "groupthink". I don't agree but I can respect this
type of position.


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