I published several times on various lists - including this one - my <agnostic?> stance about that *OXYMORON *'democracy' called so because the 'demos' (i.e. all of us) cannot exercise 'kratos' (governing power) to everyone's satisfaction in the variety we represent genetically, mentally, in interests and taste, lifestyle etc. etc. I added the *HOAX *of "majority voting" because 1. a 'majority' involves a suppressed minority and the 'voting' does not mean agreement, just lesser dissatisfaction in the expressed *L I E S of a campaign* to make the candidate more palatable to the voting crowd. Such lies are not even pretended to be kept once the candidate gets the power and it is pretty hard to get rid of someone with a majority voting record.
I also expressed in no uncertain terms that autocratic (religious, communist/socialist, fascist) systems are not prone to any distinction of a *democratic* rule (if we condone such). We can add the capitalistic economical systems to that, constituting the rule of a minority (owners?) over a vast majority of employed (working) segment of the populace - which can be (mutatis mutandis) a form of slavery in pretentious, more humanitarian formulation. Democracy-(like) governance has never been istigated in any country. Lenin (the philosopher) said to establish a 'communistic' state a new-type MAN has to be developed with selfless benevolence to work for the community. Same for the elusive democracy. Such are the reasons why I call 'capitalism' dead by the 1970s and name the resulting system a Global-Ecoomic-Feudal format with Lords (owners) and Serfs (employees - working for MONEY, no matter how much). JM On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 5:39 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: > On 1/3/2015 7:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 03 Jan 2015, at 09:28, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: > > > > *From:* [email protected] [ > mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]> > ] *On Behalf Of *Bruno Marchal > *Sent:* Thursday, January 01, 2015 3:36 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Democracy > > > On 31 Dec 2014, at 20:12, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [ > mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]> > ] *On Behalf Of *Bruno Marchal > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 5:34 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Democracy > > > On 30 Dec 2014, at 01:38, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: > > > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > *From:* Alberto G. Corona <[email protected]> > *To:* everything-list <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Monday, December 29, 2014 10:27 AM > *Subject:* Re: Democracy > > >>The Soviet union can be formally considered a "democracy". There is > nothing external or formal that may distinguish a democracy from any other > regime. Since every modern state has the same elements. All of them use the > momenclature of the age. The word democracy is the most overused world in > this century togeter with "scientific". > > No word comes close to matching the overuse of the word "god" however. > > > Yes, ... and no. > > For the greeks "God" was just a pointer to the truth we are searching, > through theories and observation. It led to math and physics, + inquiry > about which one is more fundamental, and what might still be beyond math > and physics. That use of God remains in some language expression, like when > we say "only God knows", which means "I don't know". > > But that is how the word was used in the Hellenistic period; I was > referring to modern usage that has associated it with a monotheistic value > system. > > > I think monotheism is only the "personal" view of the monism of the > parmenides one. > I think that the theology of the christians and jews reflect the monism of > those who believe in an unifying truth. The fairy tales is a pedagogical > popularization, who get wrong when the religion is (too much) mixed with > politics. > > > But it necessarily is mixed with politics, it's main function is political > because the "unifying truths" are the cultural proscriptions about behavior > and values. God is the law-giver; he's the tyrant writ large who sees all, > judges all, and rewards and punishes all. The truths of mathematics and > physics and biology are of little relevance. His "truths" are about > procreation and war and ethics and loyalty to the tribe. > > > > > > >>Which comes from the ONE of the greeks, mixed with the Jewish legend. > Well, if you forget the superstition, it has some important relation. > Monotheism is a reflexion of parmenides or Plotinus monism. > > Perhaps you are referring to the Jewish mystic concept of the sephiroth > kether (kether means crown in Hebrew) it is that which is manifest yet > cannot be named; the first divine emanation out of pure abstract space… > that is without form or definition yet which fills and animates all > things…. The divine spark so to speak. > > > I think so. > > > A few examples “a God fearing” man (or woman) is upstanding, moral > and considered (by other god-fearers at least) to be superior to those who > do not fear god; > > > But this "fearing of God" is a mystery to me. God should be good. Only > the devil should be feared. (between us). > > > Unless you are the devil. Unless you don't want to obey God's orders to > stone adulterers and conquer unbelievers and tithe to the priests. > > Brent > "You can safely assume you've created God in your own image when it turns > out that God hates all the same people you do." > - Anne Lamott > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. 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