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Chris, as they say in Texas, you cannot dance at two weddings. We are not soon,
going to live in a world, where there are psychologically clean choices. You
can pass around the joint of the progressive ideology, but it won't protect
people in the US, nor anywhere else. My foggy crystal ball indicates that if
there is another successful attack on the scale of 911, again, the momentum of
public passion will not be on the side of the progressive apologists. There
will be a reaction unlike the quietness and flag waving epoch following sept11.
This will surely not change your view, as deeply held ideological views rarely
change. But it will likely be a time that will not be the nations finest hour.
If people learn at all, its often at great cost.
But this is all out of our control anyway. I don't see love and hand holding
settling upon the world for a long while.
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From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 11, 2015 08:24 PM
Subject: RE: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to
dialectics?
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a
href="mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com";>everything-list@googlegroups.com</a>
[<a
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 11, 2015 3:26 PM
<b>To:</b> <a
href="mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com";>everything-list@googlegroups.com</a>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum
theory to dialectics?</span></p>
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<p class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Fur sure,
Chris, except thanks to a progressive mindset put to policies, they will likely
attack us first here as they did in Paris and in Aussie last month. No jaunt to
Syria is necessary. Please leave the 'turn the other cheek, thinking' for the
Jesus folk. To quote Leon Trotsky, Chris, or paraphrase him rather, "You may
not be interested in Jihad, but Jihad is interested in you!" All we have to is
wait Chris. I'm sorry, but this is our lives, today.</span><span
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<p class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Yes,
I hear what you are saying… have heard this same old clash of civilizations
line for fifteen years now… it is getting a little old and threadbare as an
excuse for yet one more trillion dollar imperial over-reach in the middle east.
</span></p>
<p class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We
need to take care of our own land, of our own people.</span></p>
<p class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Your
luridly paranoid fear of ISIS invading the US, bringing Jihad to our shores is
your own personal medical problem; deal with it! </span></p>
<p class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Like
a good Neocon you beat this clash of civilizations meme – over and over –
whipping up enthusiasm for war. Same kind of “you(s)” who have never been in a
war; never seen what war is and what war does, which is why you are
collectively known as Chickenhawks.</span></p>
<p class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Go
fight your own damn crusade, leave the rest of us out of it.</span></p>
<p class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Statistically
people in the industrialized countries have a greater chance of dying from a
bee sting than they do of dying from an act of terrorism; shouldn’t that be
what drives our relative lack of concern?</span></p>
<p class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Furthermore
the muscular military solution you favor is the engine of hatred that keeps
the war on terror going (is this going to be forever war?); going and bombing
Iraq into Freedom has proven that strategy bankrupt, yet isn’t this what you
would like to see… more boots on the ground, some more Fallujah(s) perhaps even
a few Abu Ghraib(s) as well… </span></p>
<p class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">As
long as you personally don’t have to see any action (Chickenhawk)</span></p>
<p class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">That
script has had its day on center stage; just how has Operation Iraqi Freedom
turned out? Excuse me if I offend you, but I find Neocons to be spiritually
revolting human beings, wishing death, tragedy and sorrow upon other people’s
children; always seeking to involve our country in yet another overseas war
(which they never fight themselves).</span></p>
<p class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Enough
with this low energy; what you are militating for is a global bad acid trip;
just what our world needs.</span></p>
<p class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">-Chris</span></p>
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href="mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com";>everything-list@googlegroups.com</a>>
To: everything-list <<a target="_blank"
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Subject: RE: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <a
target="_blank"
href="mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com";>everything-list@googlegroups.com</a>
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 11, 2015 4:57 AM
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href="mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com";>everything-list@googlegroups.com</a>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum
theory to dialectics?</span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Should
the US then send drone strikes on Muslim newspapers and magazines for using
their cartoonists and TV shows 'attacking' the US-a rhetorical question indeed.
Eventually, there might be a true clash of civilizations, more than we have
now. Right now, I would say, the Islamists are winning, because of passivity on
the part of the so-called liberals, progressives, who see Jihadis as a means of
weakening the west, so they can take over by default. The communists in Germany
during 1930-33 agreed to stage street fights in order to better destabilize the
Weimar Republic, their common enemy, and we all know how this worked out.
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">If you
desire a clash of civilizations so much… you should head off to Syria ,young
man and join in the clash. Kindly leave the rest of us out of your insane
dystopic future.</span><span
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Sent: Sun, Jan 11, 2015 2:58 am
Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <a
target="_blank"
href="mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com";>everything-list@googlegroups.com</a>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>LizR</span></p>
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January 2015 at 15:50, Samiya Illias <<a target="_blank"
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people criticise others' faiths, firstly it hurts others feeling making the
criticism fall on deaf ears.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Have you
seen the cartoons… that went beyond criticizing or poking fun at someone else’s
faith… the portrayal of the prophet (for those of that faith) is obscene,
insulting, gratuitously degrading in overt sexual manner meant purely to
offend. It has no redeeming quality to it. They published a stream of
disgusting bigoted religious, ethnic and racial stereotypes; not just a single
time – it was that papers bread and butter -- including such gems as a
stereotypical portrayal of pregnant African woman (with exaggerated racially
offensive features and fat post rape bellies) with the caption casually and
cruelly calling them welfare mothers. That is just offensive to me, in the
fucking extreme. It is pornographically ugly racist & sexist hate speech to
portray those underage victims like that – IMO.</span><span
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I defend
their right of free speech in the same manner as I defend the right of the KKK
or Nazi skinheads to march. Free speech is only free as long as it extends to
even the most obnoxious hate groups (including the racist newspaper Charlie
Hebdo)… Free speech extends to racists, fascists, sectarian, nationalist, and
ethnocentric bigots. I abhor their message, yet support their right to speech
*<b>on principal</b>* -- even though they would and are doing their best to
take away my freedom of speech.</span><span
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<p class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">But there
is nothing noble or ennobling about Charlie Hebdo, or the hateful racist people
who made a living producing and disseminating such racist filth and ethnic
hatred. The person I feel sorry for is that poor on duty cop, who got wasted.
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">For those
who may not be following the news, please note that this cop was a Muslim, who
gave his life defending the right of free speech of the people who were
insulting the cop's religion. </span></p>
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the editor and staff they got the Darwin Award as far as I am concerned. Fuck
them, they were fucking racist assholes who did their best to make this world
uglier and bring it down to their level. </span><span
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">The
Takfiri Salafist brainwashed assholes who did this are also exemplars of the
same disease, coming from a different direction. Nor am I sad that they are
dead either. </span><span
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<p class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I abhor
and condemn their actions, and don’t think anybody should die for expressing
their thoughts – even if those thoughts are repugnant racist crap like Charlie
Hebdo excelled at sullying the earth with. But in the same breath, I find
nothing, even remotely admirable in the ugly stereotyping ethnic hatred that
was their staple fare.</span><span
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<p class="aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Nor do I
mourn their loss, they did their level best to piss off 1.2 billion people on
this planet and eventually some really pissed off violent crazies – from the
group their hate speech targeted – took matters into their own murderous hands.
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">It also
would have been much preferable if the terrorists had been captured alive, so
they could have been tried for their crimes like common criminals. </span><span
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Chris for your post -- appreciate it! </span></p>
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