On 11 Jan 2015, at 16:52, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Quentin Anciaux
<[email protected]> wrote:
I'm sorry, but I can't let you say that charlie hebdo was a racist
magazine... it's simply false, they were fundamentally against
institutionalized religions, that's true... whatever they are, but
racist certainly not... it was a satyrical political magazine...
Exactly. I would also add that nobody was forced to buy it.
I agree.
Also, Islam asks for no intermediate between you and God, so that
complaining about a caricature of Allah can be interpreted as a form
of blasphem.
I can also understand that a muslim who is not aware of french comix
satirical humor feels, wrongly, insulted.
Yet, if they accuse the french of blaspheming on this, they can be
heard only if they accuse of (graver) blasphem the "muslims" who kill
in the name of God (once the object of the french satire).
In that case, Charlie-hebdo made the logical point, and illustrate
that *some* muslims idolize Mohammed, which is normally not part of
the Quran.
There is no racism in Charlie Hebdo at all. It makes fun of all
"authorities". It can harms only bad faith, if taken in the context.
We know that their enemy, of those nazis, is never just the jews, but
also the intellectuals, the freedom-lovers, the homosexuals, the
marginals, the I-think-by-myself, etc.
In religion (and everywhere), arguing with bombs is a symptom of lack
of faith.
Bruno
Telmo.
Quentin
2015-01-11 7:09 GMT+01:00 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <[email protected]
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On 11 January 2015 at 15:50, Samiya Illias <[email protected]>
wrote:
When people criticise others' faiths, firstly it hurts others
feeling making the criticism fall on deaf ears.
>>When people criticise others' faiths, it's more than feelings that
get hurt.
Have you seen the cartoons… that went beyond criticizing or poking
fun at someone else’s faith… the portrayal of the prophet (for those
of that faith) is obscene, insulting, gratuitously degrading in
overt sexual manner meant purely to offend. It has no redeeming
quality to it. They published a stream of disgusting bigoted
religious, ethnic and racial stereotypes; not just a single time –
it was that papers bread and butter -- including such gems as a
stereotypical portrayal of pregnant African woman (with exaggerated
racially offensive features and fat post rape bellies) with the
caption casually and cruelly calling them welfare mothers. That is
just offensive to me, in the fucking extreme. It is pornographically
ugly racist & sexist hate speech to portray those underage victims
like that – IMO.
I defend their right of free speech in the same manner as I defend
the right of the KKK or Nazi skinheads to march. Free speech is only
free as long as it extends to even the most obnoxious hate groups
(including the racist newspaper Charlie Hebdo)… Free speech extends
to racists, fascists, sectarian, nationalist, and ethnocentric
bigots. I abhor their message, yet support their right to speech *on
principal* -- even though they would and are doing their best to
take away my freedom of speech.
But there is nothing noble or ennobling about Charlie Hebdo, or the
hateful racist people who made a living producing and disseminating
such racist filth and ethnic hatred. The person I feel sorry for is
that poor on duty cop, who got wasted. As for the editor and staff
they got the Darwin Award as far as I am concerned. Fuck them, they
were fucking racist assholes who did their best to make this world
uglier and bring it down to their level.
The Takfiri Salafist brainwashed assholes who did this are also
exemplars of the same disease, coming from a different direction.
Nor am I sad that they are dead either.
I abhor and condemn their actions, and don’t think anybody should
die for expressing their thoughts – even if those thoughts are
repugnant racist crap like Charlie Hebdo excelled at sullying the
earth with. But in the same breath, I find nothing, even remotely
admirable in the ugly stereotyping ethnic hatred that was their
staple fare.
Nor do I mourn their loss, they did their level best to piss off 1.2
billion people on this planet and eventually some really pissed off
violent crazies – from the group their hate speech targeted – took
matters into their own murderous hands.
It also would have been much preferable if the terrorists had been
captured alive, so they could have been tried for their crimes like
common criminals.
-Chris
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