On 11 Jan 2015, at 16:28, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
I'm sorry, but I can't let you say that charlie hebdo was a racist
magazine... it's simply false, they were fundamentally against
institutionalized religions, that's true... whatever they are, but
racist certainly not... it was a satyrical political magazine...
Actually there were muslims working at Charlie-Hebdo, and Charlie-
Hebdo were helping some countries, like Algeria, to develop similar
satirical magazines.
I do think there are a lot of antisemite, antisionniste and racist
people in France, around the leftiste and around Le Pen (father and
daughter) notably, but Charlie-Hebdo was not racist. They mocked
everything, and their drawing of french politicians were of the same
ugly kind than the caricature of jewish rabin, africans, white, pope,
imans, ayattollah, communists, etc.
Unlike pseudo-comic people like Dieudonne, who made use of insulting
and wounding insinuations, they were always only mocking the stupidity
of *all* people, never a race or groups. Now, some drawing taken out
of context can be misunderstood as such, but then many things can.
The people killed at Charlie were very nice people, humanist,
universalist, and probably so much NOT racist, that they dare to mock
"with the natural cruelty of the drawing pen" people of all
confessions and color skin, in all countries. They even made cruel fun
of the Holocaust and the jews, but they never said anything
antisemite, or anti-arabs, nor even anti-religious, as their drawing
were always related to some actual political and precise stupid
decisions.
They were once unfair on Israel, when defending the palestinians, but
even there, it was less stupid and less unfair than all the other
journals in France, and note that in this case, they were defending
muslims, as they usually defend all victims of stupid decisions and of
"political correctness".
And they did not blasphem. I could argue that it is an islamic
blasphem to think so, as Mohammed is typically a human, and not Allah.
I do suspect some branch of Islam, probably the Nazi branch, to make
this fuzzy, by need of justifying the hate. In that case their "muslim
preys" just show their lack of faith and trust in Allah. Charlie was
mocking only those pseudo-muslims using the name of Allah and the
prophet to kill innocent people: that was the target of the
caricature, the very caricature of Islam brought by those killers.
Bruno
Quentin
2015-01-11 7:09 GMT+01:00 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <[email protected]
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On 11 January 2015 at 15:50, Samiya Illias <[email protected]>
wrote:
When people criticise others' faiths, firstly it hurts others
feeling making the criticism fall on deaf ears.
>>When people criticise others' faiths, it's more than feelings that
get hurt.
Have you seen the cartoons… that went beyond criticizing or poking
fun at someone else’s faith… the portrayal of the prophet (for those
of that faith) is obscene, insulting, gratuitously degrading in
overt sexual manner meant purely to offend. It has no redeeming
quality to it. They published a stream of disgusting bigoted
religious, ethnic and racial stereotypes; not just a single time –
it was that papers bread and butter -- including such gems as a
stereotypical portrayal of pregnant African woman (with exaggerated
racially offensive features and fat post rape bellies) with the
caption casually and cruelly calling them welfare mothers. That is
just offensive to me, in the fucking extreme. It is pornographically
ugly racist & sexist hate speech to portray those underage victims
like that – IMO.
I defend their right of free speech in the same manner as I defend
the right of the KKK or Nazi skinheads to march. Free speech is only
free as long as it extends to even the most obnoxious hate groups
(including the racist newspaper Charlie Hebdo)… Free speech extends
to racists, fascists, sectarian, nationalist, and ethnocentric
bigots. I abhor their message, yet support their right to speech *on
principal* -- even though they would and are doing their best to
take away my freedom of speech.
But there is nothing noble or ennobling about Charlie Hebdo, or the
hateful racist people who made a living producing and disseminating
such racist filth and ethnic hatred. The person I feel sorry for is
that poor on duty cop, who got wasted. As for the editor and staff
they got the Darwin Award as far as I am concerned. Fuck them, they
were fucking racist assholes who did their best to make this world
uglier and bring it down to their level.
The Takfiri Salafist brainwashed assholes who did this are also
exemplars of the same disease, coming from a different direction.
Nor am I sad that they are dead either.
I abhor and condemn their actions, and don’t think anybody should
die for expressing their thoughts – even if those thoughts are
repugnant racist crap like Charlie Hebdo excelled at sullying the
earth with. But in the same breath, I find nothing, even remotely
admirable in the ugly stereotyping ethnic hatred that was their
staple fare.
Nor do I mourn their loss, they did their level best to piss off 1.2
billion people on this planet and eventually some really pissed off
violent crazies – from the group their hate speech targeted – took
matters into their own murderous hands.
It also would have been much preferable if the terrorists had been
captured alive, so they could have been tried for their crimes like
common criminals.
-Chris
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