On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 2:48 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < [email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Samiya Illias > *Sent:* Saturday, January 10, 2015 11:58 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum > theory to dialectics? > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 11:09 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *LizR > > > > On 11 January 2015 at 15:50, Samiya Illias <[email protected]> wrote: > > When people criticise others' faiths, firstly it hurts others feeling > making the criticism fall on deaf ears. > > > > >>When people criticise others' faiths, it's more than feelings that get > hurt. > > > > Have you seen the cartoons… that went beyond criticizing or poking fun at > someone else’s faith… the portrayal of the prophet (for those of that > faith) is obscene, insulting, gratuitously degrading in overt sexual manner > meant purely to offend. It has no redeeming quality to it. They published a > stream of disgusting bigoted religious, ethnic and racial stereotypes; not > just a single time – it was that papers bread and butter -- including such > gems as a stereotypical portrayal of pregnant African woman (with > exaggerated racially offensive features and fat post rape bellies) with the > caption casually and cruelly calling them welfare mothers. That is just > offensive to me, in the fucking extreme. It is pornographically ugly racist > & sexist hate speech to portray those underage victims like that – IMO. > > I defend their right of free speech in the same manner as I defend the > right of the KKK or Nazi skinheads to march. Free speech is only free as > long as it extends to even the most obnoxious hate groups (including the > racist newspaper Charlie Hebdo)… Free speech extends to racists, fascists, > sectarian, nationalist, and ethnocentric bigots. I abhor their message, yet > support their right to speech **on principal** -- even though they would > and are doing their best to take away my freedom of speech. > > But there is nothing noble or ennobling about Charlie Hebdo, or the > hateful racist people who made a living producing and disseminating such > racist filth and ethnic hatred. The person I feel sorry for is that poor on > duty cop, who got wasted. > > > > For those who may not be following the news, please note that this cop was > a Muslim, who gave his life defending the right of free speech of the > people who were insulting the cop's religion. > > > > > > As for the editor and staff they got the Darwin Award as far as I am > concerned. Fuck them, they were fucking racist assholes who did their best > to make this world uglier and bring it down to their level. > > The Takfiri Salafist brainwashed assholes who did this are also exemplars > of the same disease, coming from a different direction. Nor am I sad that > they are dead either. > > I abhor and condemn their actions, and don’t think anybody should die for > expressing their thoughts – even if those thoughts are repugnant racist > crap like Charlie Hebdo excelled at sullying the earth with. But in the > same breath, I find nothing, even remotely admirable in the ugly > stereotyping ethnic hatred that was their staple fare. > > Nor do I mourn their loss, they did their level best to piss off 1.2 > billion people on this planet and eventually some really pissed off violent > crazies – from the group their hate speech targeted – took matters into > their own murderous hands. > > It also would have been much preferable if the terrorists had been > captured alive, so they could have been tried for their crimes like common > criminals. > > -Chris > > > > Thank you Chris for your post -- appreciate it! > > > > Samiya – I grow weary of the selective nature of what can be and even more > telling what **cannot** be mocked and satirized in our putatively free > speech defending societies. There is a lot of deep seated hypocrisy in the > West about European racism – IMO. When Westerners depict other ethnic > groups using grotesque caricatures, this makes me queasy and uncomfortable, > given the well know history of European racism, slavery, and genocide. > > All cultures (I am aware of) seem guilty of this practice – the practice > of de-humanizing the identifiable others – but this cannot be cited as a > defense of this practice. It would be like using the fact that other > people commit murder as a defense for murder; just does not fly. > > This world of ours is sick enough as it is; we do not need to drag it any > further down into the gutter of ethnic and sectarian hatred than it already > has been dragged down into. Our world seems increasingly ruled by the > lowest vibrations of mutual hatred; mutual misunderstanding; mutual > de-humanization. > > We are all of us, brothers and sisters, we forget this at our own peril; > when we forget this we lose a part of our souls. > > -Chris > I am reminded of this verse: [Al-Qur'an 49:13 Translator: Sahih International] O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted. Samiya > > Samiya > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
